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Sunday, December 16, 2012

Speaking of rhetoric

"Killer was home schooled" is a subtitle of an article in the Daily Telegraph.  "Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old who killed his mother and 26 people at a primary school in Connecticut, was "very, very bright", his aunt claimed as she disclosed his mother had chosen to home school him after "battling" education authorities."

And yet, in the article itself, it refers to former classmates, his junior high school basketball team, the English class in which he read Steinbeck at 16, his membership in the high school computer club, how he sat alone at the table in the school lunchroom and on the school bus, and the way he graduated in 2010 from a high school with a yearbook.

This is not an accident.  A dialectic reading of the article will rapidly cause one to conclude that the bright, but mentally unstable kid should have been homeschooled from the start.  Instead, he was thrown into public school hell, socially rejected, and eventually took vengeance upon those serving as proxies for the individuals he perceived to have harmed him.  It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he had serious issues at school dating back to first or second grade; there is a reason he went after the little ones even if we don't know what it is. 

But the intended rhetorical effect is for one to draw a connection between being homeschooled and being a murderous freak.  Which is deeply ironic, considering that homeschooling would help solve the problem from both ends, first by making it much less easy to slaughter large numbers of young children gathered in a single confined and defenseless place, and second by reducing the amount of abuse suffered by mentally unstable social rejects in their most formative years.

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132 Comments:

Anonymous Henry George December 16, 2012 10:46 AM  

Agendas are being set for 2nd term...

What"s next? My bet: Mom sent him to Bible camp once, attended an "extreme" church for a small season in past...

Blame shifts from killer to mom...did she vote for Romney???

Follow the money... killed played "video games" media very careful to not say way ( Call of Duty.... supported by US Pentagon) ...public schooling... divorced parents... drugs....

follow the money for topics NOT to be part of "national conversation"....

Anonymous The other skeptic December 16, 2012 10:50 AM  

Clearly they do not want to lose control of the sheeple.

My bigger problem is that too many seem willing to accept the "lone gunmen" narrative.

Anonymous TLM December 16, 2012 10:51 AM  

Homeschooling, bad "rich" father, you name it. What the media will likely never focus on is the divorce angle. The nerd's aunt says that he got worse when his parents split in 2009. It sounds like the mom went batshit with all the money (325,000/year)./doomsday prepper, drinking buddies, etc. The kids always lose mom's interest after a divorce. But i'm confident few will play up that angle.

Blogger WarriorClass December 16, 2012 10:54 AM  

When violent shootings take place, honest journalists are forced to ask the question: “Does this fit the pattern of other staged shootings?” "Is there a mysterious 'second suspect' that disappears from coverage?" "Is the shooter mentally disabled and under mind control?" "Did the feds take over the investigation from the local police?" "Was this a false flag?" "Who benefits?"

Apparently we have no honest journalists.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments December 16, 2012 10:54 AM  

The general rage against homeschoolers is very telling, much like the general rage against the uncircumcised.

Anonymous . December 16, 2012 10:56 AM  

http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/madness-deinstitutionalization-murder

When The New York Times did a detailed study of 100 U.S. rampage killers in 2000, they pointed out that there was often plenty of warning:

Most of them left a road map of red flags, spending months plotting their attacks and accumulating weapons, talking openly of their plans for bloodshed. Many showed signs of serious mental health problems.

. . .

The Times’ study found that many of the rampage killers… suffered from severe psychosis, were known by people in their circles as being noticeably ill and needing help, and received insufficient or inconsistent treatment from a mental health system that seemed incapable of helping these especially intractable patients. . . .

The Times found what it called “an extremely high association between violence and mental illness.” Of the 100 rampage murderers, forty-seven “had a history of mental health problems” before committing murder, twenty had been previously hospitalized for mental illness, and forty-two had been previously seen by professionals for their mental illness. While acknowledging that mental illness diagnoses “are often difficult to pin down . . . 23 killers showed signs of serious depression before the killings, and 49 expressed paranoid ideas.”57

There is no shortage of these tragedies that have one common element: a person whose exceedingly odd behavior, sometimes combined with minor criminal acts, would likely have led to confinement in a mental hospital in 1960. After deinstitutionalization, these people remained at large until they killed. The criminal justice system then took them out of circulation (if they did not commit suicide), but this was too late for their victims.

Anonymous E. PERLINE December 16, 2012 10:58 AM  

That was an astute observation about oublic schooling but I don't know if home schooling would have helped the shooter Lanza. In fact, his mother schooled him at home into using guns.

His brightness did not originate in his Reasoning Brain. He mostly used his calculating or Reptilian Brain, and so he lacked compassion for others. I think this is a prime symptom of autism.

Blogger Tiny Tim December 16, 2012 11:11 AM  

The US is Germany in the late 20's, early 30's.

The gun owning, homeschoolong Christian is our "Jew" and will follow the same persecution by the same despotic spirit with the aid of the progressive minded folk who seek utopia.

Unfortunately there is this little thing called the Second Amendment.

Loading the trains this go round is going to be just a little bit tougher.

Believers in Jesus will not go "quietly into the night".

Anonymous Beyond Anon December 16, 2012 11:37 AM  


Most of them left a road map of red flags, spending months plotting their attacks and accumulating weapons, talking openly of their plans for bloodshed. Many showed signs of serious mental health problems.


All the easier for those who want to exploit such people to find them.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 16, 2012 11:57 AM  

Well, I hope the Cowboys beat Pittsburgh. Going to have a football post, Vox?

Anonymous Cryan Ryan December 16, 2012 12:14 PM  

Ingredients...

a) women's suffrage
b) lots of vaccines all at once
c) a bright but weird kid
d) school administered drugs
e) female teachers who don't protect the kid from teasing
f) a dad who gets forced out of kid's life
e) a psychotic angry mother with too much money
f) plenty of violent video games
g) easy access to assault rifle

Mix thoroughly.
Mop up the blood.
Rinse and repeat.

Anonymous Susan December 16, 2012 12:42 PM  

Well it appears he was homeschooled regarding guns. So the media got a teensy part right. But other than that he was a public schooler as far as I can tell.

Have you noticed the difference in photos used by the media in this case(really really creepy), and the Trayvon Martin case(angelic,school uniform)? When in reality the white kid was a loner, and the Martin kid was a punk thug in a hoodie with a record.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 16, 2012 1:00 PM  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248782/Adam-Lanza-How-classmates-remember-genius-turned-heartless-killer.html

Mommy was a gun collector and a "doomsday prepper".... ..

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 1:04 PM  

"It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he had serious issues at school dating back to first or second grade; there is a reason he went after the little ones even if we don't know what it is."

The same thought had occurred to me once I saw a picture of the guy. Quite likely he didn't view the children he murdered as innocents. Beware of those who lack empathy.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 16, 2012 1:05 PM  

...and kid was an Aspie.

You know the Rahm Emmanuels of this world are whipping out some broad paintbrushes right about now.

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 1:21 PM  

Someone should ask Obama if his children have armed guards, and why he thinks other children don't deserve the same protection that his children do.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 1:24 PM  

As usual, there's yet another language problem buried in all of this...

A 20-year-old man should not be living with his mother. Not just this guy; any guy. It should not be considered normative, or even acceptable. Also, he is not living "at home," because it is no longer his home, it is his mother's home. At 20 he has an obligation to create a home of his own. This used to be fairly clear to most people in society. If it were clear now, and commonly understood and accepted, then the kid would have been partly urged, partly helped, and partly forced to set up on his own, under some circumstance or other. Instead, in this society, one routinely hears people in their 30s (!!) saying they are "going home" to spend Christmas or Thanksgiving or whatever. Granted it's shorthand, and one knows what they mean; however, it is an implicitly diseased shorthand, which carries within it a message of subtle poison. If someone in their 20s or 30s still does not have a place which they regard as their own "home" then it means something is wrong, not with them, but with the emotional semiotics that the society is indulging in.

I always thought this was funny: (background -- I left my parents' home at 18 to go to college, and after that I never stayed with them again for more than a few weeks' time. Not exactly what you'd call "roughing it", right?) Once, a sympathetic leftist type said to me, "Well after all, you left home at a pretty early age." I said, No I didn't. When my father was that age he was in Japan, serving in the Navy. When my uncle was a year younger than that, he was in the Marines, traveling the whole planet. When my grandfather was that age he was sailing the North Atlantic in a fishing boat.

Of course one can never peer into the mind of a psychopath and presume to know what's happening, but I wonder if we'd have fewer of these incidents if men were encouraged to become men at an appropriate age. If you're focused on scraping by, you're generally less focused on your own neuroses.

Anonymous Anonymous December 16, 2012 1:46 PM  

I'm 23, just about all of my friends are either living at home or dependent on their parents. I don't think I know I single 20 year old who is financially independent.

Anonymous Rantor December 16, 2012 2:01 PM  

Scoobious Ddubious,

Excellent point that I had not pondered, even though my behaviour indicates I agree. I too left my home to go to college at 18 and did my best to spend no more than a few weeks at home in the summer breaks. Upon graduation I was off to the Air Force for the next 22 years.

My daughter is now 21 and in college. I expect her to find a job somewhere upon completion and only visit a few times a year. If she were to get a job in the area, my objective would be to have her on her own within a few months. (should probably be weeks but rents around here are prohibitive.)

Anonymous TLM December 16, 2012 2:02 PM  

...I'm 23, just about all of my friends are either living at home or dependent on their parents. I don't think I know I single 20 year old who is financially independent.....

Anon,

That's why your generation is such a bunch of pussies. Of course as an X'er, that makes me the monkey in the middle between your generation's endless whining and the boomer's endless entitlement.

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 2:03 PM  

sc said: "Of course one can never peer into the mind of a psychopath and presume to know what's happening, but I wonder if we'd have fewer of these incidents if men were encouraged to become men at an appropriate age. If you're focused on scraping by, you're generally less focused on your own neuroses."

I think it's not a cause but more of a symptom of the dysfunction. Forcing him to get a job and move out may not have helped and would be against personal freedom.

Anonymous Rantor December 16, 2012 2:12 PM  

@ anonymous,

I understand the current employment situation makes it difficult to find good jobs, even with the local university seal of approval. Makes it difficult to move out, but I wonder, how far and wide are these people looking for work? Within a short drive of mom and dad's???

I would gladly help pay travel costs to get my daughter started in a good job, better than having her lurking about the house

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake December 16, 2012 2:17 PM  

Why have these sort of slaughters become so common in America? I don't mean exclusive... but so common?

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments December 16, 2012 2:18 PM  

Give me a fucking break with this "when i was 18 i didn't even get a word of encouragement from my parents, i made my own way" BULLSHIT.

Congratulations, you succeeded in a radically different and in many ways, unfathomably easier world. Ten points and a gold star for you. Now shut up and sit down. Things are different now.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments December 16, 2012 2:20 PM  

To the commenter talking about his daughter: you really want your daughter off on her own in a strange city working a pointless job hopping on random cocks every night? That's your vision of success? Encourage her to find a stable husband and start a family.

Blogger SarahsDaughter December 16, 2012 2:31 PM  

Rantor, nothing will help the current societal situation by having your daughter do what is suggested for men. Women are not men and make terrible mimics of them. What good will come from her independence?

Anonymous . December 16, 2012 2:34 PM  

"Forcing him to get a job and move out may not have helped and would be against personal freedom."

Uh, whut now? Freedom means living at home and being dependent on your parents? Freedom means INdependence, i.e., NOT dependence.

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 2:45 PM  

"Uh, whut now? Freedom means living at home and being dependent on your parents? Freedom means INdependence, i.e., NOT dependence."

Freedom means not being forced to do anything you don't want to do. Would you have some government agency check up on peoples' residence status and force them to move out or force their parents to kick them out?

Anonymous TLM December 16, 2012 2:45 PM  

re allow anon

...Congratulations, you succeeded in a radically different and in many ways, unfathomably easier world.....

Awwww poor little snookums needs to go suckle mommy's teet again cause he's cranky. Sounds like you're the next little whiny f@ck to go take revenge on a world that's so unfair to special little you. Sack up little bitch.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 2:51 PM  

"Congratulations, you succeeded in a radically different and in many ways, unfathomably easier world. Ten points and a gold star for you. Now shut up and sit down. Things are different now."

Ohhhh, I get it.... so NOW things are different, it appears! Newsflash, Oliver Twist: things are always different, and paradoxically, they're also always the same. You are hereby assigned to write "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" 40 times on the blackboard. And no, you can't write it on your iPad; it must be on the blackboard.

I'm put in my mind of a memorable line that a sharp-witted college tutor once wrote in the margin of one of my badly-written papers: "Never refer idly to changes between eras. Recall what Adam said to Eve as they were driven from the Garden: 'My dear, we are living in an era of transition.'"

How do you know our world was 'unfathomably easy'? You weren't there to fathom it.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 2:56 PM  

In my day, the little scooby-pups didn't ignorantly snarl at their elders to Shut up and sit down. And if they did, they got a scooby-smack.

Well, whaddaya gonna do. As Paul Lynde memorably put it...

"Why can't they be like WE were,
Perfect in every way?
WHAT'S the matter with kids today?"

Did you know that one of the oldest, earliest samples of human writing is a cuneiform clay tablet which reads, in part, "I greatly fear that the art of writing has in recent times fallen into corruption and decay..."

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 16, 2012 2:57 PM  

Why have these sort of slaughters become so common in America? I don't mean exclusive... but so common?

They aren't; these kinds of events happen about once a year every year for our country's history. They're just less well recorded pre-1900, and many pre-1900 events were either perpetrated against repressed minorities at the time, or perpetrated by now-protected minorities.

IMHO, the original attempts to characterize Lanza as autistic was either an early diagnosis, or his family lying to hide the real diagnosis. Certainly an aspie isn't any more likely to "turn bad" as any healthy person. However, it's fairly easy to misdiagnose a sociopath as having autism, or she could have lied and told her friends and family her darling little sociopath was aspie instead.

Part of the story liberals won't like: the Lanza family was clearly part of the 1%. Gun laws don't apply to people like them.

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 3:02 PM  

"Why have these sort of slaughters become so common in America? I don't mean exclusive... but so common?"

Diversity...?

Anonymous . December 16, 2012 3:03 PM  

"Freedom means not being forced to do anything you don't want to do. Would you have some government agency check up on peoples' residence status and force them to move out or force their parents to kick them out?"

Let's not pretend the kid is "free" because he lives at home courtesy of his parent's money.

Damnation, the parents aren't "free" in that situation either, in any sense of the word. They don't WANT the kids living at home, they feel like they are forced to do so.

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 3:06 PM  

Sure but what do you do about it?

Anonymous . December 16, 2012 3:08 PM  

Make them leave the nest and fly.

Marge: "Homer, remember your promise to the children!"
Homer: "Yes - once you're 18, you're out the door!"

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 3:09 PM  

Obviously that's what the parents do, but what do you do to convince/force the parents of that?

Anonymous Bobo December 16, 2012 3:17 PM  

Cool link, although off topic:
http://necessarybeing.net/

Anonymous Frederick303 December 16, 2012 3:23 PM  

Well as a late baby-boomer or early Gen-X, who had his first job at 16, left home at 18 (my brother left at 16) paid my way through college and all the rest of the Blah, Blah Blah of self-reliant stick, I have to in some way agree with the young fellows who are saying it is different. It really is. I base that on what I see in the work place and with those fellows I know who are in business.

Now I am not saying it is worse than the Vietnam or WWII cohort in terms of having to go to war, or the depression cohort and the very hard times they had. But in terms of long term ability to get ahead, I am afraid that the young today do have it much worse then any other generation since the pre 1941 generation.

Of course such as assertion needs to be backed up and here are the general points that I think back up this assertion:

1) Importation of labor to hold down costs: If you look at the period from the late 1990s and on, you see a slow but increasing effort by business/government to depress wages, by increasing labor supply whenever a field is shown to have a worker pricing advantage. This goes for nursing, engineering and pretty much every value added job, the folks that trade labor for money. When I came of age in the 1980s, there were still fields that offered good pay for skilled labor, from Engineering to software, to nursing, etc.

2) Increasing cost of education and reduced payoff for that education: Now going to school at a state institution in the early 1980s through the mid 1980s, and graduate school in the mid 1990s, the costs were reasonable and I was able to get out of school working summer jobs with virtually no debt. So I started my full time career in 1988 debt free and accumulated no debt in grad school. Not so for kids today, they all come out of school with debt. That included Engineering and programming, lest folks insist you don’t need these degrees. To work in high tech today and have a shot of making it you need at least a bachelors and a masters is very useful.

Now the young chaps getting out of school do not have the jobs open that we did. A degree in Engineering in 1987/88, I was able to send out 20 resumes and have a job offer in two weeks. Not at all like that today. When I got out, in a recession by the way, my pay sucked. But with skills I was able to see rapid promotion and pay increases, sometimes within a company and sometimes by job jumping. That conveyer of advancement ended in the year 2000 and has not really come back over the last 12 years. What I see now is that you start low and stay there. With the H1B visas and the general sucky economy, the employers figure you should be glad you have a job and thankful you position is not out sourced. These young folks are supporting school debt we did not have with limited ability to become independent like prior generations.

I could say more but those that disagree should first respond to these two points.

I think the older folks do not see decline in the ability to advance this often. While folks like me in there prime earning years with established contacts are still doing fairly well, our path upwards has been cut as well, but at a much more comfortable place at the table. By the by, I see a difference between those of my co-workers that came of age in the 1970s. The married early, had kids earlier and on the whole had more opportunities then those who came of age in the late 1980s. This process has been going on for a very long time.

Blogger IM2L844 December 16, 2012 3:32 PM  

Well, whaddaya gonna do

Since the world ends in 4 days, we can do whatever we want. Everybody should send me all their earthly belongings between now and then so you can experience true freedom before it's all over.

Anonymous The One December 16, 2012 3:39 PM  

What's the address, I'll personally come by and drop them off.

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 3:45 PM  

The Silent, Greatest Generation, and early Boomers benefited from all of the government Ponzi schemes, taking far more than they paid in. Late Boomers, Gen X'ers and Millenials are paying for it and trying to maintain or start careers on the tail end of a massive debt bubble. The fact that they're failing to achieve the same standard of living as their parents should hardly come as a surprise.

Kids making their way in the world today have faced an unprecedented propaganda assault their entire lives. The worldview they're force fed in public school is upside-down, and then they're expected to go into debt so they can go back for another huge serving of it in college. If they want to go into many of the prime career fields, this is a necessity. I graduated college ten years ago, and at many schools, tuition costs have tripled since then. Real wages certainly haven't kept pace, and the job situation for people fresh out of college is extremely bleak. Even if college students do have the time to work, they're competing with illegal aliens who do the same job year round and pay nothing in federal taxes, and in many cases, Boomers whose careers have stalled or who have become structurally unemployed.

There are still some good opportunities out there for those who don't get sucked in by all the bullshit, but in most cases, young adults are entering a world that is much more competitive and difficult than the one their parents knew. This is the world the Boomers and Greatest Generation created and left to them.

Older generations complain about the younger ones, and that's just the way it is. They see things from their own perspective and often fail to recognize that things change. Both of my grandfathers' parents complained when they left their family farms to go off to find work in the city. Their parents hoped they would stick around to help run the family farms at least until they got married.

If you're in college and living with your parents, just do the best you can. If anyone expects more than that, they're being unreasonable, so screw them.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 3:51 PM  

"I could say more but those that disagree should first respond to these two points."

Okay.

At no point during the #Occupy frenzy did I see the OWS crowd protest against continuing immigration -- they did not even protest illegal immigration, let alone legal immigration which harms them even more directly. In all the venues that I observed, which were not a few, they supported both legal and illegal immigration, and even actively abased themselves before non-whites and non-Americans, and in fact deferred to them, eagerly. They gleefully place their own necks on the block, and then look surprised when the blade falls. Fuck you, twentysomethings: clearly you hate your selves, and you hate your own people. You WILL NOT EVEN ADMIT that you have a people. And so, Fuck you. You deserve everything, every single thing, and more, and much worse, of what is coming to you. And it WILL come. And you will HATE it. And you will DESERVE it. And still, even then, you will not resist it meaningfully.

And so... Did you hear me? Fuck YOU.

If these childish (and that's an insult to children) ass-clowns went into debt in order to procure an education which could not, or would not, even teach them what their most baseline material interest in a question WAS, and they supported it and paid for it and went into debt to pay for it and never, ever, questioned it or criticized it or struck back against it, then I do not see why I should support them or sympathize with them, much less (shudder!) hire them.

If sixteen years of sophisticated education in this country renders a person less capable than an illiterate Mixtec dishwasher to see clearly, materially, What's What, then I don't know what to say to the beneficiaries of such an education. Other than, don't you dare come closer to me than twenty paces with your little fucking handout cup, or so help me, I will slice off your balls... if I can find any.

Oh, and don't forget.... Fuck YOU.


Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 3:56 PM  

"Fuck you, twentysomethings: clearly you hate your selves, and you hate your own people."

Not helpful dude. You're painting with a very, very broad brush. Plenty of them see and understand the problems America is facing, but the media sure as hell isn't going to report that.

Anonymous VD December 16, 2012 3:57 PM  

Get a grip, Scoobius, if you don't want your comments deleted. At your age, surely you've learned enough self-control to not indulge yourself in such ranting.

It is different now. The new graduates were stupid, yes, but they were also misled and lied to by their parents and predecessors. That doesn't excuse their whining, but it does explain their shock and their dismay.

Anonymous cheddarman December 16, 2012 3:58 PM  

And throw in the fact that we are in a depression that no one seems willing to acknowledge, except for a few people outside the mainstream.

sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake December 16, 2012 4:09 PM  

@Bobo

"....Diversity?...."

I honestly don't know. But seeing as everybody is looking for possible reasons... this American exceptionalism probably holds the answer.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 4:09 PM  

"Get a grip, Scoobius, if you don't want your comments deleted. At your age, surely you've learned enough self-control to not indulge yourself in such ranting."

Aw c'mon, surely by now you oughta know that I'm a supple enough rhetorician for you to realize that I'm not ranting, I'm poking with a stick, I'm... Exaggerating to Make a Point. And, to provoke a response. Go spend a pleasant time watching The Great Santini or something, it'll be good for your vapors.

"That doesn't excuse their whining, but it does explain their shock and their dismay."

Hey man, I'm roughly the same age as you. Surely you recall the eensy-weensy bit of shock and dismay we encountered ourselves?

HAMM: You're on Earth, there's no cure for that!
--Beckett, "Endgame"

Anonymous Frederick303 December 16, 2012 4:13 PM  

Well Scobby-do and Vox, I have to disagree on some level. Vox, you do not live here and bear in mind tht the most vocal folks are not always representative of an entire age or cohort.

The young folks going into debt are very aware of what they are going up against, at least the ones I know. The problem is, what exactly are their alternatives? If like many young folks they want to get a job, be self-sufficient and eventually own a little piece of property and raise a family, like all of the prior generations have done, you have to have a skill to sell. Like it or not US businesses are more degree oriented then ever, when I was a young man no-degreed engineers could rise, not any more, it is almost impossible in any of the companies I have been in for the last two decades. You need the degree in not only engineering, but many programming, IT, nursing, other skilled fields. So young kinds go out and go to school, get some debt and then find the positions out there do not pay in real terms what they did in their father’s day. Is that really the fault of young fellows?

By the way if I wanted to I could also go and talk about how hard it was in the pre internet days and how I worked my way up from nothing, blah, blah, blah. We can all do that, but as Shakespeare said, often time we remember our feats with advantages.

A smart young man today that just wants a decent life, a wife and a place to live that is not surrounded by ill-behaved minorities does not have the options of prior generations. It may well turn around, as it did for folks coming to maturity in 1945 vs. those in 1935, but right now it looks like we are in for at least another 4 years of this.

Blogger IM2L844 December 16, 2012 4:15 PM  

What's the address, I'll personally come by and drop them off.

Thanks, but if you'll just set everything out front, I'll provide curbside service. I'm willing to unselfishly make that personal sacrifice for the greater good.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 4:26 PM  

"You need the degree in not only engineering, but many programming, IT, nursing, other skilled fields. So young kinds go out and go to school, get some debt and then find the positions out there do not pay in real terms what they did in their father’s day..."

Yes, but you forgot to mention an important something: as you say, they go out, go to school, get some debt, discover X or Y, and then, THEY VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA. And not just vote, they contribute to, and CAMPAIGN for, the very man who is trying (he's not even hiding it, he's quite overt about it) to rob them of their patrimony and hand it over to foreigners who will spit on them and rape their sisters.

Honestly, what is one to say of such creatures, or to them? Is it possible to have a fruitful conversation with them, before they've been rudely slapped in the face a number of times, and had a bucket of cold water thrown over their heads, to wake them up? How, otherwise, can we be confident that they really ARE awake?

Cue Nick Lowe singing "Cruel To Be Kind".

Anonymous Anonymous December 16, 2012 4:31 PM  

Not to be another whiny millenial, but things have in fact changed considerably.
Back in the day an intelligent hardworking young person had a pretty damn good chance of succeeding. 40 years ago it would have been absurd for a college graduate to be facing long tern unemployment. 20 years ago it would have been absurd for someone with a JD, MBA, or engineering degree to be unemployed or working at minimum wage.
I personally know several STEM Grad students who are going to be entering their 30s, and who have never had a real job their whole lives. Its bloody depressing as hell. Not that we arn't to blame for being lazy over entitled brats. But hell in a few years we are going be like Cuba, with unemployed doctors and engineers cleaning toilets and sweeping floors.

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 4:32 PM  

Whites under 30 voted for Romney in greater proportion (53% Romney to 40% Obama, I believe) than whites of all ages voted for Reagan in 1980. However, whites make up only about 55% of the under-30 population, and the black, hispanic, and asian youth vote tilted extremely heavily toward Obama.

The primary divide in the US is along racial lines, not generational ones.

Blogger Crude December 16, 2012 4:41 PM  

Whites under 30 voted for Romney in greater proportion (53% Romney to 40% Obama, I believe) than whites of all ages voted for Reagan in 1980. However, whites make up only about 55% of the under-30 population, and the black, hispanic, and asian youth vote tilted extremely heavily toward Obama.

The primary divide in the US is along racial lines, not generational ones.


Yeah, that surprised me. I was reading an article, something like 'Millenials, not race, were the deciding factor for the election'. I was expecting white millenials to be backing Obama in droves. Seeing that split was a surprise, since it made the rest of the article make little sense.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 4:46 PM  

"Whites under 30 voted for Romney in greater proportion (53% Romney to 40% Obama, I believe)"

Fair enough. But that still leaves 40% of whites under 30 who need to be slapped in the face, hard if necessary, until they come to their senses. That's rather a large number, so I don't see how my tack is inappropriate.

"Not to be another whiny millenial, but things have in fact changed considerably."

Well, yes. Things changes, they always do. Read the I Ching for pete's sake. The real point is, What have you said aloud about the change, and what have you allowed your various mouth-pieces and cat's-paws, like #OWS, to say on your behalf? Will you ever form mouth-pieces and cat's-paws which are capable of speaking forcefully and effectively to your true interests? Do you have the slightest idea what your true interests are?

In an interesting twist of translating Shakespeare into French, "Ces-la les questions" scans equally as the more accurate "C'est-la la question." You get my drift?

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 4:47 PM  

Using a distorted headline is a common leftist media tactic. They know that most people will read no farther than the headline, so they use their headline to convey the intended message. Then they bury the truth in the article to avoid being accused of lying. The net result is that most people have no idea they're being lied to, and most of the ones who do know it are left questioning themselves in disbelief.

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 4:48 PM  

"Fair enough. But that still leaves 40% of whites under 30 who need to be slapped in the face, hard if necessary, until they come to their senses. That's rather a large number, so I don't see how my tack is inappropriate."

More like 93%, I'd say.

Anonymous Red Comet December 16, 2012 4:48 PM  

Why have these sort of slaughters become so common in America? I don't mean exclusive... but so common?

They haven't. This is just the rhetoric you are programmed to believe for ratings/societal control/pick your reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Note that North and South America are combined on that page and still less than all those Asian countries where gun ownership is illegal.

Also note the deadliest school killing remains the 1927 incident where a guy used bombs.

Next time an anti-freedom gun control type wants to frame the argument as less people would have been killed if he only had knives, ask them about bombs. Ask them why fertilizer and rental trucks aren't illegal. And then ask them why they never question the crazy pills these killers are always on.

Two other interesting facts to correct mass spread of disinformation:

1) The Texas sniper Charles Whitman was driven to kill not by the "repressive" society of the 1950s, but by a brain tumor that would have ultimately killed him within months of his rampage.

2) Tim McVeigh said in interviews that he was an agnostic and that science was his religion. Quit letting people trot him out as an example of an extremist "bible thumper" or what have you without challenging them with the facts.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 4:52 PM  

That should probably be "cettes-la les questions" of course, but I was going for the homophonic symmetry. Give a little, get a little.

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 5:03 PM  

It's worth pointing out the Happy Land fire where a guy with a can of gasoline killed 87 people, possibly without intending to kill anyone.

The response to this wasn't to attempt to ban gasoline but to improve fire safety.

Anonymous Random Number December 16, 2012 5:20 PM  

"...but they were also misled and lied to by their parents and predecessors. That doesn't excuse their whining, but it does explain their shock and their dismay."

They weren't lied to or misled by their parents. Ignorant? Yes. Optimistic? Yes. Of course, if you are a parent these past 15 - 20 years, then there is no excuse.

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III December 16, 2012 5:23 PM  

In the wake of the Lanza school shooting there has been a lot of embarrassing, overwrought posturing by the usual Leftist candle burners and finger pointers. Given the immoral and rather brutal nature of the Left, I would be tempted to think that they are striking false poses. Some might be. Their leaders perhaps. Certainly someone like Obama, who is quite comfortable with the Fast and Furious style of murder, wouldn't really feel anything at all except eagerness for an opportunity for crocodile tears and a power grab.



But I don't think most Leftists are knowingly striking false poses. As sanctimonious twits, they are doing something that makes them feel good and that's all it takes to validate, to themselves, whatever hogwash they care to project. If they like doing something, Leftists will always rationalize it so that they can present it as a morally superior stance when really their rationalization is a lie. What they actually are doing is using the deaths of these kids as a weapon to attack their political and social enemies; Christian White people who insist on having the means to defend themselves from violent attack.

And, as we all know, most violent attacks against Whites are by lively, vibrant, diverse savages, so the Leftist twit is also striking a blow for our enemies by insisting that Whites disarm.



Because of one mad man, Leftists would persecute legal, responsible gun owners. This is another crime that the Leftists will have no problem rationalizing.

From what I've read, the Left is to blame for the shooting in several ways. The shooter was an extreme misfit. He was just the kind of loser that the Left has redefined into a transcendently superior being: (Alienated, sullen, afraid, resentful).

These losers and misfits are told all their lives that the winners are to blame for their own misery. That they are losers is not even a little bit their fault.
They are taught by the Left and its ally, the entertainment/media industry, that to lash out at their perceived oppressors is heroic and fine. What this Lanza was doing was probably just what it appears to be. He was killing his mother (she's to blame) and all the kids who used to laugh at him because THEY are to blame for his misery. The Left tells him so every day.

But whatever his personal motives, you will notice that ALL of these school shootings by Whites are done by the losers and misfits who are striking back just as the Left has told them to do. And even insane people are strongly influenced by what goes on around them.

And then the Left blames the winners among White people.

The Left also essentially ignores the daily massacres among nonWhite kids. It doesn't fit the Leftist narrative, so it is redefined as just a slightly high homicide rate among those who have been damaged by White racism. Another lie. Another rationalization.

Anonymous Yup December 16, 2012 5:26 PM  

What Scoobius said! Scoobius for President!

Anonymous Noah B. December 16, 2012 5:31 PM  

"He was killing his mother (she's to blame) and all the kids who used to laugh at him because THEY are to blame for his misery."

I also have this weird feeling that the Hobbit movie somehow figures into this. I know, like I said, it's just a weird feeling with zero rational basis, but still.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 5:38 PM  

"overwrought posturing by the usual Leftist candle burners"

At the time of 9/11/01, the day of those actual WTC attacks, I was living in a pretty left-leaning part of a pretty left-leaning city. The very next day --I mean, the following morning of 9/12-- so the VERY NEXT DAY, while people were still scratching their heads and processing their grief and trying to just figure out the basic facts of what had happened and/or why, there were already out in the street, on a major thoroughfare, a bunch of zany leftist performance-art protest types wearing robes and funny masks and holding candles and signs (I forget if there were any giant papier-mache puppet-heads) that were protesting any and all possible retaliatory actions, which of course had not yet even been formulated. It was like they had all this stuff packed away in an old vaudeville trunk, waiting for it to come back in fashion, and they just read in the trades that old-timey Sixties protests with zany costumes and kooky sex were Back In Style, and they couldn't wait. They didn't even know what they meant by any of it, they just wanted to wear funny robes and masks and feel Morally Superior.

I sort of regret not having punched any of them.

Anonymous Kickass December 16, 2012 6:00 PM  

Rantor, why on earth would anyone send their daughter out into the world on her own? You do realize that she is immediatly the target for all sorts of crime and evil intentons. My daughters will live with us until they are married. I am concerned with their life skill, eductation and marriage prospects. They will be encouraged to seek out ways of making money that will translate well to being a stay at home Wife and Mother.

Tucked into a family they are protected and provided for. Someone who wants to stalk, rape, rob or murder them is going to have to get through a maze of protection. I will not give them to a Man not capable of doing the same.

I don't throw my children to the wolves. I was thrown to the wolves, it ain't happen on my damm watch.

And as for the good old days with 18 year olds being kicked out, that may be your experience but that doesn't mean that is the norm. Many cultures do not do that both here and elsewhere. This provides comfort and protection for the parents as well.

The issue is that boys are no longer shaped into men, they are kept boys because they are easy to control. Girls are not shaped into women, they are thrown to the wolves.

Anonymous kh123 December 16, 2012 6:01 PM  

"At 20 he has an obligation to create a home of his own. This used to be fairly clear to most people in society."

One has to take into account that the paradigm's shifted from 50 or even 20 years ago, financially and culturally. There's only so much West left for America to pioneer towards.

In fact, historically, has there ever been a sustainable parallel to this trend, a large number of next-generation using massive amounts of time and resources to move the ancient equivalent of nations away in order to establish home; or has it always been that the family unit stayed just that, close knit to clan and castle, for logistic reasons?

Anonymous Kickass December 16, 2012 6:03 PM  

Noah, why not. Wasn't the other one involoving Batman.

By the way, this is my local area and there were local reports of a man chased out of the woods and let go. I have no idea if they are correct or not. They were reporting this kid shot himself at a home in NJ and at the school at the same time.

Nothing like getting your facts straight before reporting it.

Anonymous Northwesterner December 16, 2012 6:22 PM  

A large portion of Generation Y has no concept of duty or responsibility, much less of objective morality. This should not be a surprise. Many of us have absentee fathers and most of our elders are pushovers.

If you go into the public high schools (mostly white in the NW), you will see little animals who game the system and scared, timid creatures that will never be men. The administrators are incapable of or unwilling to instill order and discipline. "18 and out" might be great in theory, but unfortunately few families have the cultural capital to accomplish that. Many people will take into their twenties to get their act together and a large minority are permanently broken, destined to be wards of the state.

It is by God's grace that more people do not go on killing sprees. Honestly a lot of people need killing and the law will not punish them. But why target the young and the innocent? Why not go after drug users and gangs or corrupt judges and dirty cops? If one is going to become a murderer, why not target the people that the law should be punishing? Because these shooters have no concept of right and wrong, not to mention justice and mercy or righteousness and sin. An innocent child is the same in their eyes as a hardened criminal. For every shooter there are probably dozens of people whose perverted morality enables them to commit a shooting, but who are held back by mere sentiment.

"Fuck you, twentysomethings: clearly you hate your selves, and you hate your own people. You WILL NOT EVEN ADMIT that you have a people. And so, Fuck you. You deserve everything, every single thing, and more, and much worse, of what is coming to you. And it WILL come. And you will HATE it. And you will DESERVE it. And still, even then, you will not resist it meaningfully."

Yeah, I agree with this. Many Millennials will roll over and die if it comes to collapse. Keep in mind that most are not OWS types. Those are traitors. Most millennials are just ruined. The ones that are only half-ways ruined are still salvageable.


-Northwesterner

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments December 16, 2012 6:22 PM  

Let's say one of us 20 somethings finally does "sack up"...

Are you going to have our back? Or are you going to nod silently behind closed doors and express support on the internet, meanwhile condemning our actions loudly in public for fear of losing your job and missing your debt payments and having to forgo your organic food?


Anonymous The other skeptic December 16, 2012 6:40 PM  

Looks like the 1% is afraid of guns in the hands of the rest of us because they don't need to fear criminals.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 7:12 PM  

"One has to take into account that the paradigm's shifted from 50 or even 20 years ago, financially and culturally."

True. To be more precise, I was speaking of whatever thing it is which makes a male into a man in a healthy and natural fashion, socially and psychologically... viz. I was not really speaking of an absolute paradigm of how a society should always be formed, although it must be said that the healthy ones usually share certain common characteristics.

There are all sorts of old-timey community/village/small-farmer paradigms where a male has successfully become a man by the time he is 20, whether he is 20 or not, and whether he lives "at home" or not. I'm not a researcher, but I'd be willing to bet that the most successful models do not tend to involve a 20-year-old male/not-a-man still living under the dominion of his mother, under her roof, without a dominant male on premises.

"Are you one of the Alphas?" I asked.
"You are a genial fellow," replied Zarendargar, "so I shall not kill you for asking the question."
( --- the frequently silly John Norman, whose only truly great contribution to human thought is probably expressed, also through the voice of that same character, when he asserts that "Law which is not a weapon and a wall is madness." In this he echoes such real-life peers as Shang Yang, Li Ssu, and Han Fei.)

Of course the larger issue is that liberal bien-pensant society actively and expressly does not WANT white males to turn into men, and thus does what it can, and whenever it can, to disrupt this process (see, for instance, under: Jews). If white males were to turn into men on a natural schedule, then they might discover what their natural interests and their birthright were, and that these had passed into hands other than their own; and, being men, they might then be in a position to take counsel together and to take arms about curing the wrong. And this, of course, is precisely what Jacob does not want Esau to figure out.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 16, 2012 7:15 PM  

Mad props @ Scoobious for quoting both Paul Lynde and Nick Lowe in a single thread!

Now even though I am (despite my handle) of Italian descent ....and I did not live "at home" when I was 20, I would bet that the majority of 20 year old Italian men are still living with their mamas...

Blogger Kyle In Japan December 16, 2012 7:18 PM  

"If you're in college and living with your parents, just do the best you can. If anyone expects more than that, they're being unreasonable, so screw them."

I completely agree. Now, I have no personal stake in this, since I live on the opposite side of the planet (and, at the expense of one-upmanship, I also needed to learn a completely different language and culture to do it, I don't think I can get much farther from home than that!) But it's downright unreasonable to bash young people being forced to live with their parents because they can't find any sort of sustainable job. Some people do this because they're lazy, and they probably deserve to be ridiculed - but that's not really what's in view here.

I lived at home in college (I commuted to school), with the exception of one semester spent in Japan, and I don't regret it one bit; it saved me a ton of money. It's worth pointing out that the whole "strike out on your own at age 18" thing is a 20th-century American phenomenon. It seems that for much of human history, large family units lived together under the same roof, up to three generations or so, maybe more in some places. Independence from one's family as a measure of success or "manliness" is a completely subjective metric. I don't think you can fairly call ancient Israelites or feudal Japanese girly-boys because they lived with extended family.

Furthermore, Scoob's crotchety ranting doesn't take into the account that many millennials (like myself and a handful of friends) are libertarian-leaning and having at least some instinctual hunch, if not total awareness, that something is very wrong with the progressive agenda, economics and immigration among them. Many millennials feel bitter and helpless because they're reaping the rewards of Boomers' irresponsible behavior and indoctrination that is at odds with observable reality. I'm very fortunate to be in a much better place than many of my contemporaries.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 7:23 PM  

"Scoobius for President!"

Like any truly practical man, I am a great believer in bakufu: government from the tent, not from the palace. I would be quite happy to serve as shogun while some MSM-approved fool like Corey Booker sat in the White House, taking Costa Brava vacations and playing golf and lustily shouting orders to polite Yale-educated aides who were skilled in the art of ignoring him, and instead doing what they were told to do by me.

So, if you'll nominate me for Unseen Under-Assistant Vizier Without Portfolio, Who Nobody Can Quite Remember Why He's Somehow Present In All the Meetings, then I'll gladly serve; but an actual President can do nothing.

Meanwhile, we will suffer through another four years of Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod, and goodness knows who else.


Anonymous The other skeptic December 16, 2012 7:24 PM  

This is so confusing.

We are told that he had a 10mm Glock and a 9mm Sig Sauer and a .223 Bushmaster or something. However, the .223 was found in his car, but all of the victims were shot multiple times with .223 (at least one up to 11 times). So, that sounds like five or more magazines.

What I cannot understand is what sort of moron takes three different calibers on a rampage? Man, changing mags must be a bitch.

"Damn, do I need to reload 10mm, 9mm or .223. Shit, they're getting away!"

I smell something fishy.

Anonymous Mike M. December 16, 2012 7:41 PM  

Hold on, Scoobius, I got dibs on the job! We Like Mike! (goes on your button)

Seriously, Frederick303 raised some very good points. College prices have increased at a rate far outpacing inflation. And the policy of importing cheap illegal labor has driven wages down.

Not to mention unlimited trade with non-peer states, which forces Joe 50% Percentile to compete against some East Asian prison factory worker. I keep wondering what the REAL cost differential would be if we restricted trade with non-peer states...low-end consumer goods would become more costly, but welfare spending would drop, meaning lower taxes - and lower crime, as people could be strongly encouraged to get a job (jobs being plentiful).

I specify non-peer states because I consider trade among peers to be a Good Thing. It increases competition, and potential markets - which makes it profitable for small businesses to specialize in goods a large firm can't do, and which fit a niche market. This doesn't work if the niche is not big enough to support a business.

Anonymous Feh December 16, 2012 7:44 PM  

"it's downright unreasonable to bash young people being forced to live with their parents because they can't find any sort of sustainable job."

"Sustainable" - an interesting word. Are jobs available that would allow them to sustain their existence (buy food, clothing and shelter)? Yes. Are jobs available that can sustain the level of status and income in keeping with their exalted opinion of themselves? No.

If Guatemalans and Salvadorans can come here and "sustain themselves" (hell they send money TO their families at home, they don't get money FROM their families) don't effin tell me that white kids can't. And yes I know that immigrants are part of the problem because they are driving wages down for young people.

Anonymous Godfrey December 16, 2012 7:45 PM  

Yes, the disgusting Statists crawl atop the little bodies to shout their hateful intolerant rhetoric. The irony is their demented culture is just a guilty as the actual murderer.

Anonymous Feh December 16, 2012 7:48 PM  

"At the time of 9/11/01, the day of those actual WTC attacks, I was living in a pretty left-leaning part of a pretty left-leaning city. The very next day --I mean, the following morning of 9/12-- so the VERY NEXT DAY, while people were still scratching their heads and processing their grief and trying to just figure out the basic facts of what had happened and/or why, there were already out in the street, on a major thoroughfare, a bunch of zany leftist performance-art protest types wearing robes and funny masks and holding candles and signs (I forget if there were any giant papier-mache puppet-heads) that were protesting any and all possible retaliatory actions"

Around here (suburbs of DC) there was a hand-painted sign up on an overpass of a major commute route pretty much the next day which said something along the lines of "is it still OK to disagree about killing people?" -- and my thought was, WTF, we haven't even started killing people yet, what is there to disagree about? The only possible basis for disagreement was "who" and "how many" (but ya know that wasn't what those bedwetters meant).

Blogger papabear December 16, 2012 7:48 PM  

"If Guatemalans and Salvadorans can come here and "sustain themselves" (hell they send money TO their families at home, they don't get money FROM their families) don't effin tell me that white kids can't. "

Don't forget the benefits they get from the government.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 7:51 PM  

Mike M.: "unlimited trade with non-peer states"

That is a FANTASTIC sound-bite!! As well as a perfectly pithy and clear-minded analysis. I don't know if you made it up, or if maybe it's common currency in circles I don't frequent, but it is bright, pithy, to the point, exact, and BRILLIANT. I'm always banging on about "mercantilist vs. open(?) trade" which is opaque and confusing: "non-peer states" is short, clear, and goes expressly to the point. Utterly brilliant. You might also include "non-peer economies", but it's less brilliant.

As your Unseen Vizier Without Portfolio, I hereby command you to start up a consulting firm and think-tank which promote the use of this highly-clarifying and thought-provoking terminology.

Anonymous scoobius dubious December 16, 2012 7:59 PM  

FEH: If Guatemalans and Salvadorans can come here and "sustain themselves"...
LACEDAEMONIANS: If.

"Always the musts..."
-- Frank O'Hara, 'Ode to Willen de Kooning'

Since Guatemalans and Salvadorans "come here" by your own admission and are not "of here", as native-born whites are... then what, pray, is their 'right' to come here and displace whites? Because you'd prefer it? Because you'd prefer to break the law? The explicit law, which is on the books, and which is ignored by the govt, because of worms like you?

Whites don't have "an exhalted opinion of themselves." They have an opinion of themselves, AS themselves, within their own country, which is their own country. It has to do with essential human rights, which you might look up some time. You, by your own opinion, are aiding and abetting foreigners to raid, and pillage, and steal from them.

So, in other words... You're a traitor to your people, and an evil fucking criminal.

Off with your worthless head.

Anonymous DrTorch December 16, 2012 8:04 PM  

In fairness, I just read an article saying "Shooter attended Comm College at age 16".

Clearly, education causes violence.

In the end, this is all just homicide porn.

Anonymous Dread's temp December 16, 2012 8:21 PM  

Maybe there IS more to this...

Check this out, a screen capture from the latest batman movie. Look just below the leftmost walkie talkie... You can see the name of the school from the shooting: Sandy Hook

PTB laughing up their sleeves? Coincidence? Creepy as hell, anyway.

Anonymous Rantor December 16, 2012 8:30 PM  

@ Scoobious

I thank you for your concrn, but I think my daughter will do fine on her own. She will most certainly have firearms and ammunition to improve security, and I doubt it will be too long before she marries.

If she finds a job around here, perhaps I'll heed your advice and let her stay in the basement guest room a little longer.

Anonymous Grinder December 16, 2012 9:02 PM  

Some of you think it is a good thing to pitch your children out the door at 18? Or even 20? Would you help them pay rent? Tuition? Or should they get deep into debt before they can even get a decent job. Things have changed from the good old days. I know guys who went to university in the 80's and were able to get good paying summer jobs that paid for their entire year studying. In the 90's those same summer jobs became very scarce. I worked at two part time jobs while studying full time to pay my tuition and car expenses but I stayed out of debt because I lived under my parents' roof. Now that my parents are in their 70's and failing health and no longer independent as they once were, they have me to look after them, run their errands, conduct their business, protect them from unscrupulous businessmen who prey on the elderly. If my parents did not teach me what family is all about, like some of your American parents, they would probably expect to wind up their days like many of you will and have already inflicted on your elderly parents - slowly deteriorate in a retirement or nursing home, neglected by staff who know which ones have vigilant relatives who check in on them and the ones whom no one will look in on and miss.
The european tradition was to stay with your family until you got married and were able to afford to set up ones own household and then bring the parents in when they became old and sick and couldn't live on their own.

Anonymous Signe December 16, 2012 9:08 PM  

I thank you for your concrn, but I think my daughter will do fine on her own.

Truth. I myself am a perfect example of how enriching and ennobling a workaday job can be for a young woman.

My dad pitched me out on my ear for not getting a job as a college professor or tech writer within weeks of getting my doctorate. Now I work for an evil overlord whose science projects have thus far eaten my car, caused me to be indecently exposed in front of half a dozen co-workers, and resulted in me spending most of the last 24 hours climbing around ventilation shafts with my boss reminding me that I still owe him a pan of brownies.

I don't know why any girl wouldn't want to get paid barely above minimum wage to work a thankless, demeaning job for which she's overqualified, but had to take as a last resort to avoid starving to death.

Anonymous Grinder December 16, 2012 9:13 PM  

The real causes behind these horrific events is not homeschooling vs. public schooling. It is an epidemic of spiritual emptiness. Accumulation of material wealth is paramount. It is far better to spend your money on feeding your midlife crisis, a fancy sportscar, golfing trips with luxury clubs, plasma tvs in every room, cosmetic surgery, etc. etc. than to help your children out so that they are not living in a rathole in a 'diverse' crime ridden neighbourhood, working for min. wage to keep up with their bills/rent, letting them prostitute themselves on Craigslist to buy a new iPhone, iPad, Coach or Luis Vuitton handbags etc. Great set of values you are imparting on them. They'll be well prepared for the new queertopia that we are rapidly approaching, and which has already been largely completeld.

Anonymous Feh December 16, 2012 9:14 PM  

Since Guatemalans and Salvadorans "come here" by your own admission and are not "of here", as native-born whites are... then what, pray, is their 'right' to come here and displace whites? Because you'd prefer it? Because you'd prefer to break the law? The explicit law, which is on the books, and which is ignored by the govt, because of worms like you?

You're getting bogged down in OUGHT.

I am stating what IS.

They CAN and DO come here (note that I did not say SHOULD come here) and ARE able to support themselves. That is a simple fact, whether you like it or not.

And I assure you I like it about as much as you do.

Whites don't have "an exhalted opinion of themselves."

Sure they do. Otherwise they wouldn't admit the brown rabble to do jobs that whites are perfectly capable of doing.

You, by your own opinion, are aiding and abetting foreigners to raid, and pillage, and steal from them.

Again, I was describing reality, not the way I would order things if I were in charge.

That aside, plenty of brown helots are not stealing or pillaging. They are simply playing by the rules that whitey made.

Anonymous Azimus December 16, 2012 9:17 PM  

@ Dread

Nah. Batman is supposed to take place in Gotham, which is NYC, right? There is a large geographical feature near NYC harbor called Sandy Hook. There was an army base, a light house, and all sorts of stuff on it. Its a coincidence, IMO.

Anonymous kh123 December 16, 2012 10:10 PM  

"They didn't even know what they meant by any of it, they just wanted to wear funny robes and masks and feel Morally Superior."

Cargo cult politics. Photographing or keeping notes on any of these events is one's ticket to being recognized by future generations as an ethnographer of that strange, strange island known as America.

And true enough on the observation about the keeping of the male population in chrysalis stage.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 16, 2012 10:11 PM  

Democrat asshole to sponsor feel-good bill that does not solve any problems

Anonymous Idle Spectator December 16, 2012 10:31 PM  

Interesting reading these comments. Let me see if I can pull the individual strands of thought together...

A) College tuition has tripled since 2000. At the same time, the system still insists on having a college degree like when the tuition was nice and cheap, as if nothing has changed. Then on top of that, credential inflation with degrees. So they get more expensive as the value keeps going down. Plus it keeps getting harder to opt out of this degree race, as the degree requirement keeps spreading to more and more jobs available due to the same inflation mechanism.

B) Now that you have that student loan debt and degree, no job is available due to the depression, to pay off that same debt. Plus the wages keep going down due to inflation plus increased taxes.

C) You can't start a proper family. The women are unmarriageable, due to a combination of the divorce laws, family courts, obesity rate, single mother epidemic, and feminism in the population. You can see this clearly by the birth rate falling and the average age of first marriage going up. If you can't start a family, what is the point of going into debt to get a college degree to bring in more money in the first place? Plus children are too expensive. You penalize people for having child in wedlock, and reward them with welfare money for having them out of wedlock.

D) The destruction of the family leads to more welfare needed to take the place of a stable family structure you just destroyed. Higher taxes again. Less incentive to be productive to generate the very money you need to transfer through taxes now due to the same mechanism.

E) Diversity is fracturing the population, increasing taxes through welfare transfer, lowering wages, and lowering the standard of living. Plus the housing bubble and affirmative action. See: California.


Now what do you get with A + B + C + D + E?

Complete clusterfuck.


Things are very, very fucked up for people under 40.

And things are getting worse by the month. The only thing to do is stay out of the way of the boulder speeding down the hill. You're basically going to need to wait for the system to either:

A) Collapse entirely and have a new system come about
B) Reform itself voluntarily

It could be option A or B. But given history, along with how congress is acting with the economy and the fiscal cliff, I am definitely thinking... option A. The people in power today (i.e. Baby Boomers) are going to hold on to it like one of Charlton Heston's rifles. With their cold dead hands.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 16, 2012 10:32 PM  

Kyle from Japan:
"I lived at home in college (I commuted to school), with the exception of one semester spent in Japan, and I don't regret it one bit; it saved me a ton of money. It's worth pointing out that the whole "strike out on your own at age 18" thing is a 20th-century American phenomenon. It seems that for much of human history, large family units lived together under the same roof, up to three generations or so, maybe more in some places. Independence from one's family as a measure of success or "manliness" is a completely subjective metric. I don't think you can fairly call ancient Israelites or feudal Japanese girly-boys because they lived with extended family.

It's not natural to live alone. I do it and it just feels wrong to be without human contact for so many hours a day.

Maybe learning to put up with other humans makes us better humans later (esp. maybe as spouses and parents). Sometimes, I somewhat dread the idea finding a wife and having to "endure" time with other humans when I might not feel like it. I don't think I felt that way when I struck out on my own, either.

Maybe if this loon's parents were better at dealing with other humans they wouldn't have divorced and raised a monster.

Anonymous Elmer (just plain ole Elmer, ya know, like in yogert) December 16, 2012 10:58 PM  

Well, while I peruse this thread, I'll ask this. In fact, I'll ask in this manner...

Vox, or even Spacebunny, do you carry a Glock to get the mail?

Anonymous sprach von Teufelshunden December 16, 2012 11:10 PM  

Okay, let's go this route. Do we ban schools, or just the schoolmasters? History tells us they both cause great wars, and many, many mass killings. I mean, we really, really wish to solve this dastardly problem. Don't we?

Automobiles should have been banned a long time ago. I almost got killed by one, just over this past weekend, on I-35W, entering Fort Worth. I mean, the crazy woman driving it, what could you she do? It certainly wasn't her fault. That vehicle just had a mind of its own. Like it was possessed by another power or something. Amazing! Never saw anything like it, in all my life...

Anonymous Signe December 16, 2012 11:17 PM  

I mean, the crazy woman driving it, what could you she do? It certainly wasn't her fault.

I had gila monsters eating my back seat! What do you want from me?!

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 16, 2012 11:23 PM  

Compare all the hand-wringing, weeping and gnashing of teeth over the death of first-graders at the hands of the lone wacko or regime psyops bot (take your pick) we see at present with the stone-silent, chirping-crickets response to the even more gruesome deaths of an even greater number of children - many even younger - at the hands of jackbooted government employees at Waco, Texas in 1993. The Ministry of Truth orchestrates the message and cues the idiocracy with the desired emotional response. Like Pavlov's dogs, the idiocracy responds as instructed: Let's ban assault weapons!

It's all so damned predictable. Since Amurika is now basically an even nastier and more depraved version of Biff Tanner's Pleasure Paradise than the original item was, none of it should come as a surprise to anyone who is even half-awake.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 16, 2012 11:36 PM  

Profile

18-25 years old
White
Gamer
SSRI Drugs

Every damn time! Now give me the guns.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 16, 2012 11:40 PM  

Compare all the hand-wringing, weeping and gnashing of teeth over the death of first-graders at the hands of the lone wacko or regime psyops bot (take your pick) we see at present with the stone-silent, chirping-crickets response to the even more gruesome deaths of an even greater number of children - many even younger - at the hands of jackbooted government employees at Waco, Texas in 1993.

Ahhh, but you see, the kind and fatherly government, because of its unlimited love for us had to prevent the rise of another Hitler, in the form of David Koresh. The rest, they were just collateral damage.

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments December 16, 2012 11:46 PM  

"If quatamaleans can do it why can't you"

Now you old fucks have just plain jumped the shark.

They are "doing it" AT OUR EXPENSE. Their "doing it" is a major reason that we can't do it.

Anonymous Helga (wife of sprach von Teufelshunden) December 16, 2012 11:55 PM  

Kong, if we truly wish to prevent another Hitler, then by all means, let's never allow a high placed individual, to give another money, ever, ever again. Yeah, yeah, that's it. MONEY! That's the problem. Eliminate that. There ya go. Problem solved...

Oh, Saussy was a big fan of Fr. Martin...

Anonymous Outlaw X December 16, 2012 11:55 PM  

Idle
"Interesting reading these comments. Let me see if I can pull the individual strands of thought together..."

The common denominator is SSRI drugs.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 16, 2012 11:58 PM  

Vox needs to change MAPI to MAPR (Most people are retards)

Anonymous Wolfgang (German Shepherd of sprach von Teufelshunden, or is it the son? Not sure from all the hair. And teeth...) December 17, 2012 12:01 AM  

And telegrams. (or is it the telegraphs?) Got to ban those too. And ships. Especially those big nasty, mean ones!

Anonymous Anonymous December 17, 2012 12:02 AM  

Must be a homeschooling yearbook, right?

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 12:07 AM  

"And telegrams. (or is it the telegraphs?) Got to ban those too. And ships. Especially those big nasty, mean ones!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48

Anonymous Noah B. December 17, 2012 12:08 AM  

"Compare all the hand-wringing, weeping and gnashing of teeth over the death of first-graders at the hands of the lone wacko or regime psyops bot (take your pick) we see at present with the stone-silent, chirping-crickets response to the even more gruesome deaths of an even greater number of children - many even younger - at the hands of jackbooted government employees at Waco, Texas in 1993."

When that happened, at first, I believed the government's lies that the Adventists had killed themselves. (Cut me a little slack, I was 15.)

Then, the government brought in earth moving equipment and excavated away the topsoil from the entire area around their home -- including what was left of the home -- and hauled it away under armed guard.

Anyone with a pulse should have realized at that point that the government was covering up a horrible crime.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 17, 2012 12:29 AM  

When will Nancy propose a law to outlaw metal knives

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 12:36 AM  

Skeptic
They are not going to ban a damn thing, because no one will pay attention. They screwed up by being such an ass about the whole thing.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD December 17, 2012 12:42 AM  

Idle
"Interesting reading these comments. Let me see if I can pull the individual strands of thought together..."

The common denominator is SSRI drugs.


Yes, those can be a real problem in patients taking the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor class of antidepressants when under the age of 24. Those drugs keep the pre-synaptic cell from reuptaking the serotonin, leading to an increase in the neurotransmitter level in the synaptic cleft. It can increase the rate of suicide and suicide idealization by several fold. The FDA did not even issue a black box* warning for that until 2007.

The real question is, why are so many on SSRI drugs? Is the depression rate increasing due to the public schools sucking, or are they being overprescribed? Or are we just recognizing the symptoms in the general population better? I fear the first, since the suicide rate drops during the summer months.


* That's where the Food and Drug Administration requires you stick an extra pamphlet outlining the side effects into the medication box. Reserved for serious or life-threatening adverse effects. Other examples are severe tendon damage in fluoroquinolone antibiotics and exsanguination (bleeding to death) when using warfarin, an anticoagulation agent.

Anonymous kh123 December 17, 2012 1:01 AM  

"Is the depression rate increasing due to the public schools sucking, or are they being overprescribed?"

I'd say both.

Though, another question would be: Is the boomer generation which urges their kids through a school paradigm that has significantly shifted since they partook of it, are they simply ignorant of the causation for why drugs are seemingly needed by their kids at a time that just happens to coincide with the schooling rite of passage ("All kids are emotional; it's just hormones"), or if there's a tinge of Woodstock/Huxley in there that excuses it on the grounds that at least their children aren't dropping the brown acid, and that it's safe since there's an FDA label on it, it's advertised on tv, and doctors seem fine handing it out.

...And, warfarin's the primary component in rat poison, right.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 1:08 AM  

"Is the boomer generation which urges their kids through a school paradigm that has significantly shifted since they partook of it"

The Boomer kids are 40 or better, everything is not the fault of Boomer parents. This is a voxation of the spirit.

Anonymous kh123 December 17, 2012 1:18 AM  

I only speak from experience, since the parents were from both boomer and "the greatest" generation when I made the rounds of public education. Prescription drugs for depression and the like were making a first big appearance for kids at the time, and most parents were incredulous as to how bad school had gotten by that point, whether it was overcrowding, lack of education, or pieces being flashed by vibrant honor roll students.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 1:23 AM  

"I only speak from experience, since the parents were from both boomer and "the greatest" generation when I made the rounds of public education. "

you old ;-)

Anonymous Chthulhu December 17, 2012 1:28 AM  

Whippersnapper. Address your Elder Ones with respect.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 1:39 AM  

Whippersnapper. Address your Elder Ones with respect.

Yes I should, but dying ain't so bad. The good thing about dying is to never grow old. When Steve Quayle talks about quantum Physics know the end is near.

I actually like Steve but he spends more time on his critics than he does in his belief. I have his book Angel Wars. So it is cool Steve.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 2:00 AM  

You can learn more from the eccentric than you can from the pragmatist. Buy Angel Wars. if it is still in print.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD December 17, 2012 2:14 AM  

...And, warfarin's the primary component in rat poison, right.

Yes. The rats bleed to death after ingesting the rodenticide.

But not for long...

Warfarin Resistant Rats

SUPER RATS???

This shit just got real. They bred fast and they mutate fast.

Warfarin (brand name Coumadin) is used in people to stop blood clots, like pulmonary embolism and post-myocardial infarction care. It is a vitamin K antagonist. Namely it blocks the KO reductase enzyme which in turn blocks coagulation. It has very small therapeutic index. Which means the dose given to make a desired effect is very close to the dose needed to harm. Hence the FDA black box warning.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 2:31 AM  

I made mom stop taking Plavix and put her on aspirin. Tired of picking her off the floor and calling an ambulance (amazing it hasn't happened since) I think she must be allergic, don't know... If you are truly a doctor do you take the flu shot? I forbid it for her and me and have convinced my family to never take one.

Anonymous Outlaw X December 17, 2012 2:42 AM  

Idle

You sound like a pharmacist. because doctors don't know shit about medicine. If I insulted you I am sorry.

Time for bed.

Blogger CorkyAgain December 17, 2012 2:56 AM  

@ Red Comet

How does the old saying go?

"Long before the truth has finished lacing up its shoes, the lies have already run around the block three times."

Or something like that.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD December 17, 2012 4:03 AM  

Idle

You sound like a pharmacist. because doctors don't know shit about medicine. If I insulted you I am sorry.

Time for bed.


Thank you. I graduated 41st in my class. It's a point of pride.

I almost got my pharmacy license taken away when I suggested this ho I boned take two grams of potassium cyanide dissolved in tap water. She had "headache" and didn't want more sex. I said it would help.


Call me in the morning.

Maybe.

Anonymous Bobo December 17, 2012 4:37 AM  

Yeah it's a PITA to get the INR right, sometimes.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD December 17, 2012 4:56 AM  

Oh God, it was terrible Bobo.

"How bad was it?"

So bad that she started jumping up and down screaming like a banshee. "How dare you suggest tap water! YOU THINK I WOULD DRINK THAT TRASH?! You trying to kill me?!"

Anonymous JohnR December 17, 2012 8:59 AM  

I have not read anything about Adam Lavaza being bullied in school. He was invisible to the other students which is just as bad. One girl was quoted as saying she said, "Hi." to him and he said, "Hi." back. She said he didn't give you much to work with. He doesn't even sound like he was a social outcast because of his peers. He just didn't fit in. For the record, we homeschool. I think the public school angle as part of the cause is overblown. PS schools are just easy targets.

Scroob: No one has put any numbers to it but I left home in 1978.

Salary: 580 p/m with overtime April through October at the Kansas Department of Transportation

Rent: 125 p/m (My share)
Cable: 25 p/m
Phone: 30 p/m
Car Insurance: 200 p/y

When I quit this job and went to college, my first semester (Spring 1981) at The University of Kansas, my tuition was 333.00 and books about 100.00. When I left 4 years later, it was about 550.00 per semester with books at about 250.00 per semester. Rent on my apartment was about 300.00 to 350.00. A roommate and a part-time job (15 to 20 hours) could pay rent on an off-campus apartment.

Back then, you could work in the summer to pay for the fall semester and part of the spring semester and get the rest of the spring tuition by working a temp job during Christmas break. Do you think you can do that now?

My son is 15. He wants to move out when he is 18. We sat down and ran the numbers. As we explained everything he would need to pay for, you could see the light go out in his eyes.

He would need a roommate and at least a 20,000 p/y job to pay for the basics. The roommate would need a 20,000 p/y job also. Rent on a decent apartment would be between 5 and 6000 per year and that is only his share. Car insurance for an 18-year-old is through the roof. With utilities, internet (Can anyone live without it now?), and other necessary expenses (food, clothes) and not counting entertainment, his nut would be about 1000 to 1200 p/m.

I survived a year in college on 250.00 p/m in 1982/83 during the recession. (No jobs even in a college town, didn't let up until fall 1983.) Could anyone do that now?

Blogger jaynie December 17, 2012 10:39 AM  

Yes, beware those who lack empathy. In one article it was noted that the bastard had to be supervised in his shop class. Seems he was not able to feel pain and had to be kept from injuring himself. Could he not feel psychic pain either? Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh, that bastard.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic December 17, 2012 2:20 PM  

Seems he was not able to feel pain and had to be kept from injuring himself.

This is a serious physical problem and shouldn't it be a marker for some serious developmental issues, like the physical traits associated with Down's syndrome?

Looking at the pictures, I'm not sure he even went thru puberty. So I'm beginning to think Mom was a clueless dingbat in complete denial, and the older son obviously went to great lengths to stay away from that dysfunctional household.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Johns Hopkins December 17, 2012 6:10 PM  

In one article it was noted that the bastard had to be supervised in his shop class. Seems he was not able to feel pain and had to be kept from injuring himself.

That is highly unusual. Complete lack of pain sensation is an indication of a small number of disorders. Congenital Insensitivity to Pain (CIP) or Congenital Insensitivty to Pain with Anhidrosis (lack of sweating) (CIPA) are a few. I heard Lanza was Jewish? CIP is far more common in Ashkenazi Jewish populations.

like the physical traits associated with Down's syndrome?

No. When you have Down's Syndrome, it manifests in the face through certain traits.

- Thin upper lip
- Smooth filstrum (that's that double line thing just above your upper lip)
- Epicanthic flaps (Asian eyes)
- Flat nasal index (the top of the nose between the eyes will be flatter than it should be)
- Small chin

He does not have these. His chin is huge too.

Looking at the pictures, I'm not sure he even went thru puberty.

It is not that rare for there to be late puberty.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Johns Hopkins December 17, 2012 7:51 PM  

Oh and it should be spelled philtrum. Oopssss!

Oh and one more thing on the eyes: short palpebral fissures. That means on the horizontal axis the eyes are kinda squished looking, and also upslanted in the outer corners. Gives them that "retard" look when they smile. I meant special. Yeah. Differently challenged...

Anonymous CaptDMO December 18, 2012 12:54 PM  

"But the intended rhetorical effect is for one to draw a connection between being homeschooled and being a murderous freak."

Any thoughts on why it came to be that such a broad
number of "districts" in the area amassed so many of their precious resources in one large "gun-free zone"
basket?

Doesn't say a whole lot for mandatory attendance at politally approved curricula, in the name of ...diversity. OR the "education industrial complex" for that matter.

Gee, if only a disproportionate number of males (just ignore the cruel "emotional bullying" Heathers) could have their behavior somehow controlled with a magic pill...well into their (manditorily "registered")choice of pre/post(if any) military service as well... THAT would certainly address the unintended consequences of the violent assault known as CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (negative reinforcement-no Elmo/smart phone/candy at the grocery check out/ and a smack on the ass)that used to be administered to boys and girls demonstrating undesireable behavior, right from it's onset at those "precious impressionable" formative years.

Do even "problematic" children comprehend a direct corralation between cause and effect?
(SEE:DSM-V; Insanity)
Do (self-promoted, via emotion and "personal" experience) "intellectuals"? (See:DSM-V; Insanity/Penis Envy)

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