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Friday, November 23, 2012

He doesn't care and here is why

John Scalzi proves he doesn't care what people think about him by writing yet another post explaining his opinion concerning what people think about his position on the socio-sexual hierarchy and why he is not insulted by being identified as a "beta male":
I think they are less concerned about insulting me than they are reassuring themselves that there is no possible way they could ever be beta males, whatever their definition of ‘beta male’ is. By all indications their definition is something along the lines of “a man who sees women as something other than a mute dispensary of sandwiches and boobies” and/or “a man who does not live in fear of everyone else not continually affirming his internal assessment of personal status,” gussied up in language that allows them not to have to deal with these essential facts of their own nature. But inasmuch as insulting me is part of the mechanism of reassuring themselves, I am offered the insult.

I’m not insulted because, a) I consider the source, b) I don’t mind being seen as someone who does not view women through a tangled bramble of fear, ignorance and desire, c) when I step into a room, I don’t neurotically spend my time tallying up who in the room has higher status than I do, and who doesn’t. I am a grown-up, for God’s sake. Paranoid status anxiety is tiring. 
One has to wonder how John knows that paranoid status anxiety is so exhausting considering that he cares so little about what others think of him.  In any event, I take a more in-depth look at what his response tells us about his socio-sexual status at Alpha Game.

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41 Comments:

Anonymous drose November 23, 2012 12:59 PM  

Vox, why do waste your time with this poor fool? Is it because you glean a perverse pleasure from observing his pathetic antics? Or is it more about using him as a teaching tool to explain Game theory to the rest of us? Actually I think I just answered my own questions.

Anonymous Orville November 23, 2012 1:12 PM  

When a grasshopper jumps right into your hand, what else is there to do but pull it's legs off.

Anonymous Holla November 23, 2012 1:23 PM  

Vox:
"One has to wonder how John knows that paranoid status anxiety is so exhausting considering that he cares so little about what others think of him"

Skullsy:
"I am a grown-up, for God’s sake. Paranoid status anxiety is tiring."

Perhaps he is implying that when he was a child, he thought about childish things, but now that he is an adult he has left High School social angst behind him.

Blogger IM2L844 November 23, 2012 1:34 PM  

b) I don’t mind being seen as someone who does not view women through a tangled bramble of fear, ignorance and desire

This seems like an odd thing for him to say since that is exactly how he appears to view women.

Anonymous Porky? November 23, 2012 1:45 PM  

Who?

Blogger IM2L844 November 23, 2012 2:05 PM  

Who?

Scalzi. It would be like someone who is in fact a criminal saying to the police, "I don't mind being seen as someone who is not a criminal."

Blogger RobertT November 23, 2012 2:15 PM  

"Beta"? (He wishes.) How about "Omega"? He's so obsessed about being called a "beta" he makes repeated efforts to assure us he isn't. He must think of himself as an "Alpha" or "Beta" wouldn't offend him so much.

A favorite sayings: "if you're explaining, you're losing."

Anonymous jack November 23, 2012 2:28 PM  

OT, but what the heck; the world ends on the 21st. don't it?

Vox, or ILK, when again does the new book ship? I've already paid my fee some several weeks or more ago. Would like to read it before the Mayan prophecy gets me [hei, hei]

Anonymous re allow anonymous comments November 23, 2012 2:29 PM  

Who is this person again? I only know the name from the references here on this blog.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein November 23, 2012 2:45 PM  

Honey Badger don' care!

Blogger Res Ipsa November 23, 2012 3:07 PM  

Methinks the lady doest protest too much.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard November 23, 2012 3:16 PM  

Perhaps he is implying that when he was a child, he thought about childish things, but now that he is an adult he has left High School social angst behind him.

Yes. That is precisely what he is saying. That he is flailing like a little girl's doll in a cyclone and screaming ill-constructed insults in response to descriptors allegedly of no concern to him is proof positive of it.

Anonymous Kickass November 23, 2012 3:19 PM  

This is fun!

Anonymous Razoraid November 23, 2012 3:46 PM  

"But it’s also partially because I don’t actually care. Again, none of this burbling about betas has an impact on my life; I’m going to do what I do regardless."

For someone who fervently claims not to care about the beta label; need more cowbell.

Anonymous Kickass November 23, 2012 5:28 PM  

In all seriousness, who started this and why? Juicy details please.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 23, 2012 5:33 PM  

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/10/john-scalzi-is-rapist.html
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/10/john-scalzi-squicked-me-out-too.html

Anonymous Holla November 23, 2012 8:24 PM  

"Yes. That is precisely what he is saying. That he is flailing like a little girl's doll in a cyclone and screaming ill-constructed insults in response to descriptors allegedly of no concern to him is proof positive of it."

Hmm... Something like Vox primarily scribing detailed rebuttals only to those he declares intellectually inferior anklebiters?

Anonymous spectator November 23, 2012 8:26 PM  

Scalzi still hasnt figured out that someone who says they dont care and someone who truly doesnt isnt the same thing, and why he is taken for the former rather than the latter. Maybe thats the lesson here. Reall the person who has to repeatedly say they dont care is really saying "I care, I care more than anything that you dont think that"

Anonymous zen0 November 23, 2012 9:40 PM  

He is a man who views women through a tangled bramble of fear, ignorance and desire, and his Paranoid Status Anxiety (PSA) is set at Defcon 1.

(Defcon 1 is a code used amongst guys for when a woman is at that time o the month and should not be argued with, agreed with or even spoken to. God save any man who's girlfriend is at Defcon 1. )

Anonymous TheExpat November 23, 2012 10:40 PM  

Defcon 1, heh.

So how long until the Scalsi-WOPR realizes that the only way to win this particular game, is not to play?

My guess? The free entertainment will never end.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 23, 2012 10:41 PM  

Hmm... Something like Vox primarily scribing detailed rebuttals only to those he declares intellectually inferior anklebiters?

Here's a model you can use to understand:

0-130 IQ: Anklebiters like yourself whom he occasionally rebuts at length for illustrative purposes. If there is no teaching value or amusement in it, he generally allows the Dread Ilk to do what they do.

130-145 IQ: Vox's sweet spot. These are the very gifted people who have never been spanked and a superintelligent AWCA is just...perfect. It's good for 'em, fun to watch, and highly educational.

145-160 IQ: People smarter than Vox. You don't often see them sniping at irrelevant minutiae because they are either enjoying the show, doing something ingenious/productive, drinking, or more likely all three.

160-? IQ: Exceptionally rare, strange people. Generally sexaholics writing for Jay Leno, dysfunctional mathematicians subsisting on amphetamines and bath salts Satan, or more likely all three.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard November 23, 2012 10:43 PM  

Something like Vox primarily scribing detailed rebuttals only to those he declares intellectually inferior anklebiters?

Is that jealousy I hear? Maybe if you threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue, the blog owner will deign to acknowledge you as he does Scalzi.

Anonymous Bear November 23, 2012 11:45 PM  

Ooh! I care! I care!

Anonymous David of One November 24, 2012 12:02 AM  

Aeoli Pera ... is it really dilletante or should it be dilettante?

Don't construe my question in a negative context as none is intended.

Blogger Duke of Earl November 24, 2012 12:48 AM  

If one doesn't care, then one doesn't need to mention it does one?

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 24, 2012 12:51 AM  

These are the very gifted people who have never been spanked

I don't know. Most people with 130 seem to me like simians with opposable thumbs that managed to find access to a keyboard and electricity.

People smarter than Vox

Vox looks about 155, not 144.

Generally sexaholics writing for Jay Leno, dysfunctional mathematicians subsisting on amphetamines and bath salts Satan, or more likely all three.

Did you get this from Paul Erdős? He was wonderfully functional with amphetamines- when doing math. I don't think people on bath salts can converse coherently, much less add numbers together. Before you ask/correct, that is a double accute accent, not an umlaut on the O. Common in the Hungarian language.

The bath salt user John McAfee, of the anti-virus fame, is a member of Mensa but I'm not sure if he is up in this catagory or not. "I don't want to be unkind to the gentleman, but I believe he is extremely paranoid, even bonkers." said Dean Marrow, prime minister of Belize on today's news. A google search will suffice to bring up his recent travails involving drugs, murder, bacteriology, and general rich-man dickery-docks down in Belize. It's been massively entertaining following it on the interwebs.

As for me, I only channel Satan when I have access to some bitchin' PCP. Shhhhh, the backroom séance is starting soon.

Anonymous Kyle In Japan November 24, 2012 2:14 AM  

Reading the comments at Scalzi's blog makes me grateful for the interesting bunch of folks here. To call his commenters "inane" would be far too kind.

Anonymous Jesus H. Christ, aka your Savior. November 24, 2012 2:23 AM  

And then Jesus said, "Brethren, I can't believe that the fucking Muslim won again!! I suppose that if I hadn't been so busy masterbating to my Sarah Palin pin that I could have prevented this epic disaster.
Although I'm not worthy of your devotion, please remember that I hung on that fucking cross for a long goddamn time for your fucking sins!!!"--Jesus Christ, as told to Chuck Norris.

Blogger Robert S. Oculus III November 24, 2012 3:01 AM  

@Jesus H. Christ, aka your Savior. November 24, 2012 2:23 AM

Does Dad know you're playing with his smartphone?

Anonymous Kickass November 24, 2012 4:57 AM  

@AP, I read those but thank you. I just assumed there had to be more then this.

Could just be this things use of "squee" sent VD off. It certainly is vomit inducing.

Anonymous Kickass November 24, 2012 5:01 AM  

Just to throw this out there...the scalzi takedowns are fun but unproductive. I could give you a list of false prophets ripe for the taking and it might actually wake others up. You are gifted with the takedown and it could be a goodwork and even more satisfying. Just a hopeful thought.

Anonymous VD November 24, 2012 6:58 AM  

Unproductive? Are you kidding me? I'm finishing a 300k-word book and two game designs right now. The Scalzoid is a freaking gift as far as I'm concerned....

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 24, 2012 8:07 AM  

David of One,

Garden variety misspelling. I deprecated the google blog, but it's still embarrassing. I should go fix that...

And no offence, I'm only a little concerned that a disclaimer was necessary for a factual inquiry. I nearly have the obvious neuroses under control at this point, but I suppose it's touch and go with these things.

Kickass,

I'm sure there was some discussion at Scalzi's and commensurate ripples across teh interwebs, but I didn't pursue it.

Idle Spectator,

Your assessment is certainly at least as good as mine, what with mine still stinking from where I got them. Plus, I've never been measured and I tend to presume 130-145, but I can really only say if I'm looking up or down.

(I will say that aside from personally looking up at Vox it would be easy to overestimate him due to his accumulated experience and particular strengths. Or maybe the critics are right and IQ doesn't really work that high up the distribution due to specific types of genius.)

As for you freaks above 159 :-P...well, that was almost entirely tongue-in-cheek. Almost. Let's not kid ourselves about drug use among high-performing mathematicians, physicists, and the like. Maybe not bath salts, but I'm sure plenty of them are on amphetamines, Adderall, and the like. There's a huge incentive.

Not at all tongue-in-cheek; I can't begin to guess Satan's IQ but it still freaks me the fuck out.

Last, thank you for "dickery docks".

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 24, 2012 8:14 AM  

Idle Spectator,

Last thing again, I wrote up a reply to your criticism of the "probably" operator I made up, but I lost it. Essentially, it's more interesting to treat each one like a random variable (P1, P2, P3...).

Also, the semicolon above should be a colon. Type 1 punctuation error in front of the guy teaching me a new diacritical mark. How embarrassing.

Blogger IM2L844 November 24, 2012 8:25 AM  

To call his commenters "inane" would be far too kind.

I like to think of his blog as femme-inanity theater.

Blogger Duke of Earl November 24, 2012 2:14 PM  

These are the very gifted people who have never been spanked

I don't know. Most people with 130 seem to me like simians with opposable thumbs that managed to find access to a keyboard and electricity.


You too? As I've put it occasionally, from my perspective an IQ of 132 qualifies a person to be called Forest, but not much more.

People smarter than Vox

Vox looks about 155, not 144.


Vox is smarter than me, and I'm above 145.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 24, 2012 5:42 PM  

As for you freaks above 159 :-P...well, that was almost entirely tongue-in-cheek. Almost. Let's not kid ourselves about drug use among high-performing mathematicians, physicists, and the like. Maybe not bath salts, but I'm sure plenty of them are on amphetamines, Adderall, and the like. There's a huge incentive.

I'd say drug usage is the least of a lot of those people's character flaws.

Last thing again, I wrote up a reply to your criticism of the "probably" operator I made up, but I lost it. Essentially, it's more interesting to treat each one like a random variable (P1, P2, P3...).

Probably. But it might be better to set the random variable as X(i) for some i in N, keeping the operator just as Pr. No, I'm not a mathematician, I am just awesome.

Also, the semicolon above should be a colon. Type 1 punctuation error in front of the guy teaching me a new diacritical mark. How embarrassing.

I just assume all the comments are first drafts and work from that premise regarding the typing.


Pera: (I will say that aside from personally looking up at Vox it would be easy to overestimate him due to his accumulated experience and particular strengths. Or maybe the critics are right and IQ doesn't really work that high up the distribution due to specific types of genius.)

Duke: Vox is smarter than me, and I'm above 145.

Vox has very high verbal skills. People with that trait tend appear to be even smarter than usual. It works the other way too. If I start speaking a second language poorly, I may appear stupid. People high in math or visuospatial but low in verbal are in trouble in today's society, as people like trial lawyers can talk circles around them and make them dance like a monkey. Also don't underestimate people skills. Even a special ed with fantastic people skills can go far. For example, that LA mayor Antonio Ramón Villaraigosa. Plus he's handsome, don't negate that since a huge portion of the electorate is now female, and we all (should be all by now...) know how they think in cooter vision worse than any man.

Anonymous tiredofitall November 24, 2012 7:49 PM  

Reading the comments at Scalzi's blog makes me grateful for the interesting bunch of folks here. To call his commenters "inane" would be far too kind. - Kyle In Japan

Like attracts like. Scalzi writes crap and is a closet beta. Vox writes interesting stuff people want to read, and makes them think.

Anonymous Tad November 25, 2012 10:51 AM  

"Who is this person again? I only know the name from the references here on this blog.

He's the guy who's writings and published works are far more popular and far more acclaimed than Vox Day and who, for this reason, is able to make Vox Day's commentary appear like the whines of a little girl.

Anonymous The CronoLink November 25, 2012 6:28 PM  

"He's the guy who's writings and published works are far more popular and far more acclaimed..."

....among geeky chumps and chubby gammas. Big deal.

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