ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2014 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Friday, November 23, 2012

Feminism ends in the brothel

Back in 2006, I think it was, I wrote about how the combination of feminism,  immigration, and post-Christianity would lead inevitably towards reducing women's choices to the brothel or the burqah.  That point is rapidly arriving in both Holland and the UK:
Anything-goes Amsterdam has long been hailed as a sex mecca. The red-light district attracts thousands of customers, many of them tourists, who walk through alleys where half-naked prostitutes prance in the windows of some 300 brothels illuminated with scarlet bulbs.

A century ago, the brothels were banned to stop the exploitation of women by criminal gangs of Dutch men. But gradually the sex establishments crept back, with the authorities turning a blind eye.

In 2000, after pressure from prostitutes (demanding recognition as sex workers with employment rights) and Holland’s liberal intelligentsia (championing the choice of women to do what they wished with their bodies), the brothels were legalised. The working girls got permits, medical care, and now there are 5,000 in the red-light district.

But things went badly wrong. Holland’s newly legal sex industry was quickly infiltrated by street-grooming gangs with one target: the under-age girl virgin who can be sold for sex.

The men in the gangs are dubbed — incongruously — ‘lover boys’, because of their distinct modus operandi of making girls fall in love with them before forcing them into prostitution at private flats or houses all over Holland, and in the window brothels. The lover boy phenomenon has appalled Dutch society, not least because of the sheer numbers of girls involved.

Holland hopes the rot will be halted. Last year, 242 lover boy crimes were investigated by police, half of them involving the forced prostitution of girls under 18. Campaigner Anita de Wit says this is a fraction — ‘one per cent’ — of the true number. ‘There are thousands of girls being preyed on by male gangs in Holland,’ she says.  Anita visits schools to warn girls exactly what a lover boy looks like, and makes no bones of the fact that most of the gangs are operated by Dutch-born Moroccan and Turkish men.

‘I am not politically correct. I am not afraid of being called a racist, which would be untrue. I tell the girls that lover boys are young, dark-skinned and very good looking. They will have lots of money and bling as well as a big car. They will give out cigarettes and vodka. They will tell a girl that she is beautiful.

‘The gangs know who to pick out: the girl with the confidence problems, with the glasses, or who looks overweight. They flatter her and seem like the “knight in shining armour”. She is drawn to her new boyfriend like a magnet.’
There has never been a society that survived the loss of its religion and its children.  The end game for secularism, equalitarianism, and multiculturalism is not the shiny, sexy, It's A Small World scientopia of post-religious dreams, it is what is already being witnessed in present-day Amsterdam.  This is not progress, this is a return to the pagan world that was defeated with the passing of Julian the Apostate and Diocletian.

The problem isn't that the feminist revolution "backfired', the problem is that it was a revolution of 180 degrees that marked a return to ancient societal patterns.

Labels: ,

104 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 5:20 AM  

It's just a return to normal. When you let your daughters act like whores, sooner or later men start treating them all like whores. The sex gangs just figured a way to make money and get laid at the same time with the west's whorish girls.

Anonymous REd November 23, 2012 5:20 AM  

Above comment was From Red.

Anonymous ivvenalis November 23, 2012 5:21 AM  

It's a total loss of identity. Men were summarily executed within living memory for crimes that didn't even begin to approach this but the most the Dutch can manage is an anemic, apologetic "awareness" campaign and a comparative slap on the wrist for anyone caught red-handed. This stuff reads like a parody of Antique slanders against barbarians, except it's actually real and nobody cares.

The Dutch don't identify these girls as "theirs" (just look at how many PC ideologies that statement runs afoul of), and even their families have been systematically eviscerated. Unfortunately, this means that no one actually cares about these liberated girls' well-being. Now, intellectually I don't really give much of a damn what happens to the Dutch, but if they do nothing about this, I know when my/our time comes, no one else will help me or my children either.

Concerning our heathen past, knowledge of the Classics (or practically anything written down before 1970 that wasn't radically Leftist) has gone from the hallmark of liberal education to the specialized knowledge of irrelevant antiquarians. Nobody has any idea what the world looked like before Christianity. They don't even know what it is they're undoing at this point.

Anonymous Kyle In Japan November 23, 2012 5:28 AM  

Isn't it amazing how feminism ruins the lives of women at every stage? It kills them in the womb, deprives them of parents, tells them to open their legs to every man who wants a piece in their adolescence and young adulthood, and then deprives them of family, fellowship, and lifelong significance by telling them to pursue a nebulous, ephemeral "dream" of self-centered nonsense ensuring that they face the stark reality of middle age and retirement all alone.

Well, except maybe for the cats.

Anonymous finndistan November 23, 2012 5:35 AM  

And what will be the solution (not the one mentioned by Ms. De Wit, but of the libbie intelligentsia)?

Here is an example:

"We need to educate the immigrants on sex, to stop the disproportionally high immigrant rapes" (no, not the immigrants being raped; and this also does not mean educating the spanish or the italians, or the irish, or ze germans...)

The multiculti pc cult eats its own children.

Anonymous finndistan November 23, 2012 5:36 AM  

Forgot to mention: that sex ed thing was proposed by some intelligent member of the society in Finland and made it to the papers as a legitimate solution.

Anonymous The Great Martini November 23, 2012 6:00 AM  

Alpha Game, anyone?

Anonymous zen0 November 23, 2012 6:18 AM  

Well, except maybe for the cats.

Feminism must be the modern manifestation of Bastet worship.

From the Shrine of Bastet, Egyptian cat goddess:

Divine Feline
Bast, Devouring Lady,
Lady of Truth

Thousands of years
we shared the same planet

Thousands of years
hast thou protected us

Thousand of years
do we hold thee sacred

Divine Feline,
Mysterious Cat,
Lady of the East

thou unite in thee the two opposite
powers of nature

Gentle and caring mother of kittens
Tearer of mice and rats
Protectress of mankind

thou are the mistress of joy
thou are the mistress of pleasure
thou are the mistress of dance and ecstasy

Divine Feline,
Goddess of the Birth Chamber
Light Bearer,

To live with thy incarnations is a pleasure
To watch thy behavior is teaching us
To run with thee in dreams

is honoring thee and following thy path.

Always free
Always solitaire
Always independent
Never ungentle

Anonymous scoobius dubious November 23, 2012 6:33 AM  

zen0 -- and don't forget "Jubilate Agno," the crazy poem about cats by the great nut Kit Smart. Probably the best thing about cats ever written.

Anonymous The Lightworker November 23, 2012 6:53 AM  

"This is not progress, this is a return to the pagan world that was defeated with the passing of Julian the Apostate and Diocletian."
-
Cliche Came Out of Its Cage

Blogger James Higham November 23, 2012 7:33 AM  

Absolutely, Vox. Just posted on it too. They are right in contention, the feminazis, for the award for the most destructive movement in the history of the west.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie November 23, 2012 7:36 AM  

Black Friday pretty well sums it up for the US anyway.
HKC

Anonymous Otherwise Silent Observer November 23, 2012 8:07 AM  

"We need to educate the immigrants on sex, to stop the disproportionally high immigrant rapes..."

Brilliant! While we're at it lets educate the immigrants on why murder and stealing is bad, too - I'm sure that will put and end to those crimes as well! See guys, all violent sexual predators and criminals need is a place to talk about their feelings and a few (consensual) hugs.

Anonymous Susan November 23, 2012 8:13 AM  

A revolutionary ideology that butchers its unborn young under the guise of freedom can have only one end. Destruction.

Anonymous JW November 23, 2012 8:30 AM  

" They don't even know what it is they're undoing at this point."

Well said Ivvenalis!

Anonymous TLM November 23, 2012 8:41 AM  

The movie Taken was an excellent glimpse into the sex trade, western girls are truly clueless to what men unencumbered by religion, swift and forceful capital punishment, etc are capable of.

Anonymous Toby Temple November 23, 2012 9:11 AM  

So is this a good argument against legalizing prostitution?

Anonymous ck November 23, 2012 9:14 AM  

Wow, this illustrates the importance of family monitored courtship as opposed to dating. And the lynchpin of such a courtship process would be obedience of a daughter to a father.

Anonymous Pater November 23, 2012 9:15 AM  

"I am not afraid of being called a racist, which would be untrue." I'd like to see some progress made to where people will say things along the lines of 'Yes, I'm a racist'. Mother Nature herself is racist. Once people break through the constraints placed upon their thinking then they'll be able to see things much more clearly.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 9:16 AM  

This is not the pagan world. Please Vox. Don't slime the "Pagan" world. Pagans had morals. Look at Sparta, was anything happening in Holland going anywhere on in Sparta? Yet, Sparta was pagan.

This was not happening in Rome either! I'm well read in the classics and what you describe never happened in Classical Antiquity. European pagans had Morality!

How just because the genociding Jews showed up---then Morality began! The pagans had morals. Maybe not complete morals but they had morals!

Every body dumps on the Spartans--but they never committed genocide--but your beloved Jews were the greatest Genociders of all of Classical Antiquity. It would be a race to see who was first the Romans or the Jews.

Do NOT slime the pagans with that garbage. Morality did not come about with the Jews or with Christianity.

Anonymous Porky? November 23, 2012 9:19 AM  

Those gangs must be stopped. They are reducing tax revenue.

Anonymous physphilmusic November 23, 2012 9:28 AM  

I can't believe the behavior of that girl Angelique, the daughter of the woman who founded the safehouse in the article. She acted extraordinarily stupidly. Falling for another "lover boy" for the THIRD time after having been exploited as a prostitute for six weeks? That's just ridiculous.

Anonymous Shirk November 23, 2012 9:28 AM  

The immorality is horrifying. Someone should create a government gang awareness program.

Blogger JD Curtis November 23, 2012 9:31 AM  

I came across this one today on the Belfast Telegraphmand immediatly thought of the ilk..


London's calling us to follow in its vibrant footsteps


Anonymous Krul November 23, 2012 9:36 AM  

Come on, Wheeler, the Spartans and the Romans both enslaved whole populations and practiced institutional pederasty. I'd say that's at least as bad as what's going on in Holland.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 9:39 AM  

Slavery has nothing to do with morality Krul and the Hebrews/Jews had slaves as well! The Spartans did not practiced institutional pederasty.

What is the greater crime Genocide or slavery? Yet your "moral" Jews were the greatest genociders the world has ever known!

Anonymous Krul November 23, 2012 9:45 AM  

The Spartans did not practiced institutional pederasty.

What? I always heard that pederasty was an accepted thing in ancient Greece, and that it was part of the young Spartans' training that they had to be protege/lovers with older soldiers. Are you telling me the Spartans did not approve of it? What's your source?

As for the ancient Jews, how are they any less "pagan" than the ancient Greeks or Romans?

Anonymous Rantor November 23, 2012 9:49 AM  

Last year every rape reported in Norway was perpetrated by a non-Norwegian immigrant. Hmmm.

In Sweden the women are so feminist that they will march into the Men's room if the lines are too long at the Women's room... and they are trying to rid the country of urinals. They are sexist afterall. And their men? I doubt many are of the old Alpha Male Viking stock.

Who will defend liberal feminists against the immigrant onslaught? Their feminized men? Not bloody likely.

In the UK, if you use too much violence to defend yourself, you will go to jail. I believe an armed guard was prosecuted for shooting an armed robber because the state though that the robber wasn't really that much of a threat. You must surrender and not provoke that bad man.

European feminazery leads to the destruction of the masculinity of their own men, allowing the masculine immigrant men to run roughshod over the entire system. In this sense, second ammendment rights, self defense rights, and men behaving like men are shown to be an imperative to the survival of a civilization.

Feminists and liberals are trying to destroy their own men, import immigrants and seem ignorant of who is going to win this contest of cultures.

The Dutch government will not be able to turn this around.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 9:55 AM  

lindsay, i am concerned for you. worse things happened than could be imagined in sparta, rome and classical antiquity. do some research, and no i will not provide links for intelligent people.

Blogger Spacebunny November 23, 2012 10:04 AM  

Pagans had morals.

Yes, of course they did. The Mayans, Aztecs, Celtic Druids, etc all had morals but I don't particularly like their definition of right and wrong....

Anonymous Porky? November 23, 2012 10:17 AM  

This is not a big problem. All we need is a "Just Say No" campaign to warn girls to 'Just Say No' to attractive, wealthy, friendly, charismatic men.

A small tax increase should pay for the program. Then parents can get back to not worrying about their children.

Anonymous Rantor November 23, 2012 10:23 AM  

Porky?

Planned Parenthood, and thus the majority of the US government will oppose this. Cuts into revenue dontcha know?

Anonymous CatDog November 23, 2012 10:43 AM  

"What? I always heard that pederasty was an accepted thing in ancient Greece, and that it was part of the young Spartans' training that they had to be protege/lovers with older soldiers. Are you telling me the Spartans did not approve of it? What's your source?"

Spartans were a separate group from the other ancient Greeks. They didn't enagage in pederasty were as the other did.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation (Ben) November 23, 2012 10:45 AM  

Check out this story: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3459/denmark-muslim-country

The post-christians there are shocked that muslims don't want to pay for a christmas celebration.

This is going to end in bloodshed.

Anonymous CatDog November 23, 2012 10:55 AM  

"Yes, of course they did. The Mayans, Aztecs, Celtic Druids, etc all had morals but I don't particularly like their definition of right and wrong...."

European paganism is different to non-white paganism. Paganism is a term that is applied to all tribal religions which can misleading. It isn't correct to take about paganism in the collective sense. There was obvious problems with European pagan morality especially in relation to infanticide. But there was a lot of understanding of good within there morality as well.

Blogger Bob Wallace November 23, 2012 11:11 AM  

"Well, except maybe for the cats."

You know what I find interesting about that? Cats have always been witches' familiars, so apparently it was noticed hundreds of years ago the relationship between hostile spinsters and cats.

Anonymous Durster November 23, 2012 11:29 AM  

http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Spartan_pederasty

Spartans did engage in pederasty.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 11:56 AM  


Dutch "window girl" prostitution looked like a workable idea 40 years ago, I'm sure. A few excess young women, usually from the countryside, turning tricks in a safe, warm, controlled environment with police protection readily available and full spectrum medical care just down the street. A customer base consisting of older men, single for whatever reason, men whose have become too beta for their wives, and young men looking for sex without strings. Xavaria Hollander's world, in short. Everyone relaxed about sex, it's no big deal, and any diseases easily and quickly cured with antibiotics that always work. Girls who work for a while and then move on to a different job, johns who are always polite...

Often institutions look stable for a "long time", in the young man sense - say, 10 to 20 years - that turn out to be quite unstable in the real longer run, in the sense of generations. Immigration from the third world where women are regarded in very different ways from the decadent west, declining birth rate that means there are no "excess" girls anymore, constantly mutating bacteria such as gonorrhea, all add up to the classic liberal / left conclusion: This was Not what we intended!

Feminism is based on falsehoods. One by one, those falsehoods are being demolished by reality. As this continues, feminists will more and more live in unreality.

Borderline Anonymous

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 23, 2012 12:15 PM  

Ancient Greek saying;

"Boys for pleasure, men for love, women for children."

That may have been from Athens, though, not Sparta...

Anonymous Beau November 23, 2012 12:17 PM  

When you present Christ, things change. Seated among a group of friends in a fast-food place after ministering at the New Mexico Youth Challenge chapel, I recounted to a sixteen-year-old Celina the speech I give to every young man who ever wanted to date my daughters. She had never heard such a thing. When finished, I stood and offered her my arm, then walked her around the restaurant, "This is how you escort a lady." Later as we exited I told her, "This is what the men-folk are for, if any crummy guy comes around trying to take advantage of you or anyone else in the church, we are there to put a stop to it." In the past Celina had people take dreadful advantage of her, but now that she is in the church, she had a glimpse of a far better future.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 12:53 PM  

My source is Xenophon an Athenian Aristocrat that served in the Anabasis under a Spartan General. Xenophon later went on to serve under a Spartan King and then went to live in Laconia. His two sons went thru the Spartan agoge.

Xenophon said himself that there was no pederasty in Sparta. In Crete, yes and other places, not in Sparta.

Anonymous Jenny | Recetas Faciles November 23, 2012 12:57 PM  

Prostitution is a necessity in a society, and prostitutes will always exist, because where there is demand for a product or service, there will always be people willing to provide it. I think a ban herror, all we can do is to state what has been done so far, create laws to protect both prostitutes and customers.
Regards,
Jenny | Recetas Faciles

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 1:02 PM  

That problem that Vox pointed out in Holland---I WOULD SAY comes out of the extremism of Christianity. What that shows is Christian! It is Christianity that exactly and solidly produced that situation in Holland!

It is Christianity, and not paganism.

The overpreaching of Love in all of the Christian communities and churches have effeminized people so much that they lack judgement. They have NO judgement whatsoever. They have NO backbone due to the overemphasis of Love, Tolerance and Diversity all backed up by the Bible---by the Gospel!!!

This has NOTHING to do with Paganism whatsoever---but with the bastardizations of Christianity and the extremizing of the Gospel; Love and "Do not judge". The people of Holland have lost all sense of propriety, judgement, wisdom and prudence. They are fools.

The only thing is the Mirror. Why don't you Christians look themselves in the Mirror of what they have become, spineless, non-judgemental, everything is Love, peace and tolerance. That is what produced the culture of Holland. And that is what has led to girls being victimized. And the cowardice and the lack of manliness within the Dutch!

How disgusting. This has nothing to do with paganism but everything to do with what is wrong with Christianity today!!!!

Anonymous JI November 23, 2012 1:06 PM  

Why should the Dutch care? If there is no God, no good or evil, it's all about what feels good as long as it doesn't "hurt someone else", and these girls appear to be having a great time. Besides, it's their choice what they do with their bodies and the Dutch are all about the right to choose. And, if things go south for them in the business they're in, they can always get doctor-assisted suicide; after all, it's their right to choose.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 23, 2012 1:27 PM  

WLW:
That problem that Vox pointed out in Holland---I WOULD SAY comes out of the extremism of Christianity. What that shows is Christian! It is Christianity that exactly and solidly produced that situation in Holland!

It is Christianity, and not paganism.

The overpreaching of Love in all of the Christian communities and churches have effeminized people so much that they lack judgement. They have NO judgement whatsoever. They have NO backbone due to the overemphasis of Love, Tolerance and Diversity all backed up by the Bible---by the Gospel!!!

This has NOTHING to do with Paganism whatsoever---but with the bastardizations of Christianity and the extremizing of the Gospel; Love and "Do not judge". The people of Holland have lost all sense of propriety, judgement, wisdom and prudence. They are fools.

The only thing is the Mirror. Why don't you Christians look themselves in the Mirror of what they have become, spineless, non-judgemental, everything is Love, peace and tolerance. That is what produced the culture of Holland. And that is what has led to girls being victimized. And the cowardice and the lack of manliness within the Dutch!

How disgusting. This has nothing to do with paganism but everything to do with what is wrong with Christianity today!!!!


As it is presently constituted in the west, Chrsitianity is the enemy. It's just another branch of what Moldbug terms "the Cathedral of Cthulhu" This even goes for "conservative" churches like the Southern Baptists and Dobson's FOF organization. The new gospel of Galatians 3:28 - equality über alles, with its thinly-veiled genocidal sister doctrine of "anti-racism" - elevated high above all else, even God himself. So the "extremism of Christianity" you describe is really a heresy writ large which has infected the entire church, both Catholic and Protestant. A single line of scripture from one of Paul's letters has been elevated to the central core of the entire religion and is employed as a massive battering ram to destroy everything in its path.

Holland, like all of the EUSSR, is profoundly post-Christian. There is no 'there' there. The numerous old churches and cathedrals which dot the landscape there are nothing but temples of the new social gospel described above. Perhaps they should complete the process under way by opening brothels in the places - temple prostitutes for Cultural Marxism. The EUSSR central bankstas and Lloyd "Doin' God's Work' Blankfein would be happy to lend them the cash from trash to upgrade the facilities to the latest and greatest.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 23, 2012 1:38 PM  

Just as an aside, I expect few of the "lover boys" are native Dutch. My bet is that the vast majority are from the precious vibrancy of the other, which naturally renders them immune from what masquerades as "law" in the EUSSR prison of nations. In the UK-okrug, the local police and magistrates were actively covering up a child-prostitution ring which snapped up young English girls because it was a Moose-limb enterprise. They'll use the full resources of the "justice" system there to attempt to put Geert Wilders behind bars for crimethink, but allow outrages like this to go along until embarrassed by their extent. No one there resists. Instead, the natives just keep on digging their own graves by paying taxes and obeying laws - upholding a system whose purpose is to exterminate them.

Anonymous Tom O. November 23, 2012 1:40 PM  

Why don't you Christians look themselves in the Mirror of what they have become, spineless, non-judgemental, everything is Love, peace and tolerance. That is what produced the culture of Holland. And that is what has led to girls being victimized. And the cowardice and the lack of manliness within the Dutch!

"They lead my people astray, saying, "Peace," when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash. Therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth." (Ezekiel 13:11)

Anonymous Krul November 23, 2012 2:28 PM  

Thanks Wheeler, I've been meaning to read the Anabasis for a while but never gotten around to it. I'll definitely check it out.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 23, 2012 3:35 PM  

@WLW:
Over at Paul Kersey's site, there is a very revealing article about the destruction of Rochester, NY at the hands of Satan's spawn Saul Alinsky, mentor of the John Doe known as Barack Hussein Obama. It's not the activities of Alinsky which are a surpise, nor are the activities of the groids, both of which are entirely predictable. The interesting back story in Kersey's article is about how Alinsky ended up being invited in the first place. Old Saul didn't show up to do his "community origanzing" schtick unless he was well paid and able to bring his staff along. It wasn't the Joos who issued the invite and shelled out the 30 pieces of silver - It was white Christians.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 4:02 PM  

WLW -

Do you have a point, or do you just enjoy reading yourself in print online?

Jes' wund'rin' . . .

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 4:27 PM  

Krul, I think Xenophon's comment is either in the Memorablia or in his Oeconomicus. I don't have my library with me; my library is in Michigan and I'm in Mexifornia at the moment!

Gen Kong is exactly right.

Socialism and communism came out of, originated from, influenced by Christianity.

The point is Anon, that Jesus Christ said, "Man lives BY EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". It is explained here Christ the Logos the Font of Greek Philosophy. The Gospel must be cojoined with the real, original natural law which Jesus also promulgated! As Jesus is of two natures, his Logos is of two natures. The Natural Law is Harmony, the combination of the high and the low. The High is the Gospel and the Low is the Natural Law but they have to be combined. The error of Protestant Christianity is its rejection of Greek philosophy that is full of the Natural Law!

The proof of what I say is here:

"Even Good, done to the wrong proportion, does evil".

The Gospel done without proportion, without harmonizing, without being the Golden mean does Evil! This is the error throughout the church.

As you can see Death in Holland. That picture of Holland is Death. It was brought about by the extremizing of the Gospel which effeminizes and clouds men's minds. God said, "EVERY WORD". The Natural Law proceeded out of God! out of Jesus Christ. You can NOT ignore the real original natural law!

Anonymous anewt November 23, 2012 4:35 PM  

"bastardizations of Christianity and the extremizing of the Gospel"

Actually the bastardization of Christianity is the paganization of Christianity. So called churches have exchanged the truth of the gospel and syncretized it with paganism. and this is the result.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 4:54 PM  

Anewt, how wrong you are. Protestants accuse the traditional pre-Vatican II Church of Paganism. And then you call modern Christianity and liberal Protestantism "the pagainization of Christianity".

Can you get your story straight?

Yes, Traditional Roman Catholicism is Pagan, read "European" for Christianity is supposed to be a European Religion. When Europe was Catholic---it suppressed the Jews, fought the Muslims, kept Europe free, and had a tough moral code. That was Under Pagan Christianity.

I'm a traditional orthodox Roman Catholic who lives that "pagan Christianity". Anewt, you don't have a clue.

Christianity is to be clothed in NEW Wine Skins and that means pagan Europe. It is your Judaized form of Christianity that produced that mess in Holland---NOT Catholicism. (But now modern Catholicism seems to be apeing Protestantism. Protestantism is Judaized Christianity.)

And thanks Gen Kong for that link that was a tremendous article! Outstanding. Along with Saul Alinsky is the Frankfurt School.

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 23, 2012 5:25 PM  

WLW,
Read The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop or Babylon Mystery Religion by Ralph Woodrow. I should warn you though, that you might not like what those gentlemen have to say.
By the way, those "new wine skins" have nothing to do with Europe.

Anonymous anewt November 23, 2012 5:46 PM  

"Protestants accuse the traditional pre-Vatican II Church of Paganism. And then you call modern Christianity and liberal Protestantism "the pagainization of Christianity".

Both can be seen as examples of syncretism.

"Christianity is supposed to be a European Religion"

european and asian and african and american and for every nation, tribe, language, and tongue.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 6:06 PM  

Good God Almighty . . .

If any of you were as good as Doctors of Medicine as you pretend you are Dr.'s of theology . . .

I would simply give up the ghost and pass on - if for no other reason than to escape your utter bullshit!

Does a soul here understand Christology - the two natures, or the three Genuses of Christ?

Nothing evident thus far . . . merely emotional nonsense. The Baptists and the Muslims have already cornered that market.

jb

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 6:52 PM  

Christianity is NOT based on "sola scriptura" nor is it based on "sola gospel" either.

Christianity is based on two things Holy Tradition (this includes both scripture and the tradition of the Church) and the Natural Law embedded in Greek Philosophy of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. You've got to have both.

Anonymous anewt November 23, 2012 7:12 PM  

"two things"

those are actually three; and including greek philosophy in christianity is the very definition of pagan syncretism.

but i say this with genuine concern for your soul, Mr. Wheeler, if you don't repent of your syncretistic version of christianiy, and trust in Jesus Christ's finished work alone, you have no hope of eternal life only eternal judgment.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 7:18 PM  

WLW

I will steer clear of your precise location on the last day . . . lightning bolts are not my favorite item in creation . . .

Just as an aside, if Scripture is the source of Holy Tradition, which I most certainly hold to, and can amply demonstrate . . . the "tradition" is beholden to Scriptrue, and not the oppposite, as advanced by the RCC and EOC.

As far as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle - only insofar as their views happen to agree with Holy Scripture are they worth considering theologically.

FYI - it would be helpful, for future arguments, if you would get the "Sola's" correct . . . "sola Gospel" sound like something form Rick Warren or Joel Osteen's joints.

The Reformed (not Protestant) Cahtolic Understanding:

Sola Fide
Sola Gratia
Sola Scriptura
Solus Christus

It is not fides caritate formata . . . but -

Caritas fide formata. Love for God or neighbor cannot exist prior to faith, which receives the essence and blessings of God that permit us to love Him and our neighbor.

FYI . . . jb

Anonymous Porky? November 23, 2012 7:54 PM  

Wheeler: "I'm a traditional orthodox Roman Catholic..."

This still exists?

Anonymous Tom O. November 23, 2012 8:09 PM  

Do not say, "Why were the old days better than these?" For it is not wise to ask such questions. (Ecclesiastes 7:10)

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 8:37 PM  

Yes, I'm a Church of one. I live that in my heart, my soul and in my mind. When I go, it will all be over. That is not an idle jest but very sincere. I am really the last real Christian. Not only am I a Believer, but am obedient to the Church, faithful to the canons of the Church and obedient to the Natural Law. Nobody knows the natural law like I do.

As Christ is of two natures, his Logos is of Two Natures. There is no "sola scriptura". It is not "sola christus" either. We have a Trinity. Three Gods in One God. A Multiplicity in a Unity. I am obedient to the two Logoi of Christ, therefore I am thoroughly and completely a Christian.

Yes, and the Protestants need to look at the Eastern Orthodox Churches and even the Coptic Church. See, truth is in the Consistency of what one teaches. All sorts of Prots pull out the whore of Babylon to describe Roman Catholicism but the existence and teachings of the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Coptic Church kinda puts that out to pasture.

Yes the RC and the EOC kinda of both stand together. It is Protestantism that is outside the Faith.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein November 23, 2012 8:41 PM  

WLW :
Protestantism is Judaized Christianity.

Admittedly outside of my area of expertise, although I was brought up in the Lutheran (ELCA) Church.......
......but I suspect Martin Luther would take umbrage at that suggestion.

Anonymous DT November 23, 2012 9:02 PM  

Anita visits schools to warn girls exactly what a lover boy looks like, and makes no bones of the fact that most of the gangs are operated by Dutch-born Moroccan and Turkish men.

RACISS! NADbM&TMALT

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2012 9:18 PM  

WLW -

You really ought to understand those you claim to oppose before you make false accusations and bear false witness, which I know, as a former ROman Catholic, is also against Church Canon.

There is no "Sola Scriptura"? Perhaps you ought to re-read the first Pope - Peter - who wasn't aware he was the "Pope" - and see his view on Scripture.

And, to the contrary, you are not a "traditional orthodox Roman Catholic." There has not been such a person in the RCC since before the Fourth Lateran Council. Trent was merely digging a deeper hole, and Vat I proved Luther right on the Papacy, and Vat II admitted Luther was probably right.

You seem unable to keep your concepts of the nature of Christ distinct from your emotions about being Catholic:

"As Christ is of two natures, his Logos is of Two Natures. There is no "sola scriptura". It is not "sola christus" either. We have a Trinity. Three Gods in One God. A Multiplicity in a Unity. "

What in the flying flip are you talking about with such language? I am a Confessional Lutheran, and reading your words I feel like Barbara Billingsley having to go through some weird translation!

Since we Lutherans are not "Protestants" we take no offense at the term - we know better. But to imply Luther was a "judaized Christian" is absolutely the best one-liner I have heard in years -especially since it was he who brought the Gospel forth from the rank legalism of Rome. Hilarious!

But I repeat actual history, which you would do well to learn before pretending you know it.

Pax - jb

Anonymous oregon mouse November 23, 2012 10:08 PM  

In a truely free society people must be free to harm themselves providing they harm no one else in the process. The problem is once you give up all self-restraint, especially in the form of religion, freedom doens't last long.

On another note I have to gasp at the total lack of suspicion on the part of the mother allowing her 15 yr old daughter to go off with 3 strange men in their 20's (white or not)in the first place, let alone without direct adult supervision. Even if it was supposed to be at her mother's house with other siblings present, do these native Dutch not understand how incredibly vulnerable teenage girls are? Clearly not.

Anonymous Outlaw X November 23, 2012 10:21 PM  

From Vox to Nostril-damn-us. Vox has a record of exacting predictions and not quatrains. It is funny to me, Vox does not say there will be a great dragon cross the world with great sparks, he just says, want to be whore keep the feminism and egalitarian going.

I was trying to explain the difference to someone over the phone tonight. Sin and guilt are bedfellows but are not the same. I pointed out that Adam had no Idea what sin was but knew he was told not to do it, and then we are told how he felt naked and covered himself, that is guilt.

You may think that the liberals and whores don't feel guilt, you would be wrong. It manifests itself in many different ways, and the assholes who perpetuate the lie also feel guilty and many are damn rich in nothing numbers, you just don't see it.

Anonymous Porky? November 23, 2012 10:33 PM  

Yes, and the Protestants need to look at the Eastern Orthodox Churches and even the Coptic Church.

Why? What kind of snakes do they handle?

Anonymous oregon mouse November 23, 2012 10:36 PM  

"I can't believe the behavior of that girl Angelique, the daughter of the woman who founded the safehouse in the article. She acted extraordinarily stupidly. Falling for another "lover boy" for the THIRD time after having been exploited as a prostitute for six weeks? That's just ridiculous."

Notice there is no mention of a father or father figure in angelique's home. people, especially little girls, seek out the disfunction they are comfortable with. whatever her home life was like she probably had no example of how a good, protective man behaved toward women. Think of this as the little seed of emotional damage that blossomed into full wilfull participation in her own degradation.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard November 23, 2012 10:52 PM  

Yes, I'm a Church of one. I live that in my heart, my soul and in my mind. When I go, it will all be over.

So all I need do to end the world is to hide a carnivorous turkey in your sock drawer? Consider it done.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 23, 2012 11:05 PM  

Martin Luther was a casualty of his times. As the Jews concentrate only on their writings, so did he. Europe was already Christian. They were all baptized and receiving the Eucharist. So what was Luther's point? Yes, selling indulgences were mistake but was it necessary to change the Faith? No.

As you can see the Modern Age thoroughly and righteously proves the Catholic Church's stand that the Laity really have no business reading the scriptures. Look at the mess. Over 2500 different Protestant sects and all sorts of branched off cults. Protestantism broke apart Christendom and was an integral part of the conspiracy. Look at the mess of the Modern World. Look at Holland, a thoroughly Protestant Country, Look at England, thoroughly Protestant country.

Even though Martin Luther escoriated the Jews when they didn't automatically convert, he was influenced by the Jewish inroads into Christianity at the time. There were many precursors to Martin Luther who were directly influenced by Jews.

Anonymous Edjamacator November 23, 2012 11:06 PM  

Yes, I'm a Church of one. I live that in my heart, my soul and in my mind. When I go, it will all be over. That is not an idle jest but very sincere. I am really the last real Christian. Not only am I a Believer, but am obedient to the Church, faithful to the canons of the Church and obedient to the Natural Law. Nobody knows the natural law like I do.

Well, at least you're modest, I'll give you that.

Anonymous Anonymous November 24, 2012 12:02 AM  

"Martin Luther was a casualty of his times. As the Jews concentrate only on their writings, so did he. Europe was already Christian. They were all baptized and receiving the Eucharist. So what was Luther's point? Yes, selling indulgences were mistake but was it necessary to change the Faith? No.

Oh, my . . . where to begin? Your below-elementary view of Luther, which is not even taught in Catholicism anymore?; your complete lack of, and appreciation for, if even an opponent, of the countless words and books and tracts Luther wrote?; your simplistic reasoning that indulgences were the issue in the end? My friend, as I said before, you need a serious history lesson (or thirty)!

"As you can see the Modern Age thoroughly and righteously proves the Catholic Church's stand that the Laity really have no business reading the scriptures. Look at the mess. Over 2500 different Protestant sects and all sorts of branched off cults. Protestantism broke apart Christendom and was an integral part of the conspiracy. Look at the mess of the Modern World. Look at Holland, a thoroughly Protestant Country, Look at England, thoroughly Protestant country.

Nothing of the above paragraph proves anything except that maybe purple is a shade of greenish-tinged pink and elephant shaped walnuts - which is to say - you said nothing and proved nothing. Again, you really need to study the history of the matter, as C. S. Lewis would say (although to you he was one of those "English" protestants). Know what it is you are talking about before you go wandering off accusing others of being wrong, when your own words prove you are not "right" to begin with!!!

"Even though Martin Luther escoriated the Jews when they didn't automatically convert, he was influenced by the Jewish inroads into Christianity at the time. There were many precursors to Martin Luther who were directly influenced by Jews."

Luther "excoriated" the Jews for their failures to accept Jesus as the Messiah. Precursors were not an issue.

My friend - from which pre-Vatican II book/tract are you lifting your quotes? You really should burn it - and go learn some history AND some theology. In both you are woefully lacking.

As an aside, I could show how Catholicism actually gave birth to Calvinism, with its non-Gospel emphasis being a parallel to Rome, and how Luther steered the true Catholic Church through the bog and brought it out on the other side - smaller perhaps, but that was prophesied by Jesus anyway.

If you are serious about a serious discussion - post me at koivwvia@hotmail.com I am discussing the same misconceptions you have with several others at the moment. I can take on one more.

Feel free . . . Pax jb

Anonymous Tom O. November 24, 2012 12:20 AM  

W. Lindsay Wheeler:

(1) How do you feel about the fact that Church tradition has failed to prevent the contamination of scripture? I am talking about verses like 1 John 5:7-8, or the infamous parable of the adulteress?

(2) How do you feel about the fact that the church venerates Mary, even though Jesus specifically said that Mary is no different than any believer? (Mark 3:35)

(3) You write, Yes, I'm a Church of one. I live that in my heart, my soul and in my mind. When I go, it will all be over. That is not an idle jest but very sincere. I am really the last real Christian.

Isn't this similar to what Eliyah said to Yahweh?

Eliyah replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, broken down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too." The LORD said to him... "Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel --all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." (1 Kings 19)

(4) You write, Nobody knows the natural law like I do.

(4)(a) Starting from SO(N) current algebra, construct two lowest primary higher spin-4 Casimir operators which are quartic in spin-1 fields. (Hey, you said natural law!)

(4)(b) Did you know that if you have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if you have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, you are nothing? (1 Corinthians 13:2)

Anonymous Rex Little November 24, 2012 1:14 AM  

[i]There has never been a society that survived the loss of its religion and its children. [/i]

Can you give examples of societies which failed because they lost their religion and/or children? This isn't an attempt at a "gotcha" question; I'm sufficiently ignorant of world history that I honestly don't know whether or not such examples exist.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 24, 2012 3:08 AM  

It's interesting - Vox has been making this statement about the end of feminism for years now. There is hardly a branch of leftism's great tree of death which has been more thoroughly discredited than feminism. When feminist high-priestess Gloria Steinem responded to the exposure of Bill Clinton's rapine behavior - the very textbook definition of sexual harassment - with the remark "everyone is entitled to one grope", the movement lost any semblance of actual credibility. It should have died in a chorus of scornful laughter then and there. It seemed to make no difference though. It continues on - taught day in and day out in every public skool, broadcast 24 x 7 x 365 by the Ministry of Truth, the Hollywood jujubox, etc. Like a zombie, it just stumbles along and keeps infecting new victims. What is the key to this almost supernatural power?

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 24, 2012 6:51 AM  

Is it so bad though if feminism ends there?
I mean, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY for pussy ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT, why not a one-time gift rather than a permanent drain with all its inherent drama, whining & bullshit?

Of course if you're REALLY smart, you know how to get the free samples & bail.

Anonymous Susan November 24, 2012 10:24 AM  

Gen. Kong, from what I can find or stand to read from liberal points of view, if somebody like a Clinton is achieving the agenda being pushed, then its a matter of 'end justifies the means' kind of thinking.

They truly don't care who gets hurt, or what happens to innocent people, as long as the end goal is achieved.

I know that is kind of simplistic, but as is said around here, MPAI.

Anonymous Susan November 24, 2012 10:25 AM  

I was referring to the liberals GK, not you or the ilk here.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard November 24, 2012 12:31 PM  

I mean, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY for pussy ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT, why not a one-time gift rather than a permanent drain with all its inherent drama, whining & bullshit?

Even better, compulsory laryngectomies for all females--or the entire species, frankly. The universe needs less of your whinging and complaining, and there is no hope that any of you will stop of his own accord.

Blogger Lovekraft November 24, 2012 3:19 PM  

Sad thing about these arab predators is that they are operating around the world in many Westernized countries.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 25, 2012 10:07 AM  

This is Bullshit,
The problem isn't that the feminist revolution "backfired', the problem is that it was a revolution of 180 degrees that marked a return to ancient societal patterns.

Where was feminism in the pagan societies of Europe? Where? Did women have the right to vote anywhere in Classical Antiquity? No.

Where did St. Paul get the idea that women are to have their heads covered in Church?

From the Pagan Greeks!!! It was NOT Jewish. In the Synagogue, Men have their heads covered. In Christianity, it is the women that have their head covered.

I uphold that tradition. That makes me the Last Christian. Who here on this blog upholds this Christian Tradition of women covering their heads while attending Church? Who? In Protestantism?

Who released women from using the veil in church?

That is why I am the last Christian. Does Spacebunny wear a veil in Church?

The situation in Holland is the failure of discipline throughout the world and the Church. The Church no longer has any discipline.

Anonymous oweuroiweur November 25, 2012 1:58 PM  

I know lots of women who wear veils to Mass

Anonymous Anonymous November 25, 2012 4:46 PM  

WLW

Actually, Wizard, the custom did not come from the Greeks, but from the Romans. And precisely what do you do with I Cor. 11:15 - which explains the "covering" . . .

And then verse 16 especially - which examines a concept that seems completely foreign to you, that of Christian freedom.

I am not quite sure why you feel the need to style yourself as the "last Christian." I would suggest that you appear to have inserted yourself into the role of "Judge" - which belongs to Christ alone, and that you are in danger of rejecting the entire Gospel despite its witness, which is the sin against the Holy Spirit.

You have, in your own mind, turned the Faith into a repristinated version of Phariseeism - with yourself as the Chief Priest. Your words and attitude speak nothing to the Gospel of Jesus Christ; there is none of the "compassion" Christ desires rather than sacrifice; nothing whatsoever of the Gospel.

You are as transparent as a pane of glass to those of the Faith, but understand, for those who do not fully know all matters of the Faith, you are risking both their souls and your own preaching the legalistic nonsense you are.

Again, I repeat, you really need to study both history and theology. Your lack in both fileds is readily apparent.

jb

Anonymous paradox November 25, 2012 8:28 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler

Who here on this blog upholds this Christian Tradition of women covering their heads while attending Church? Who? In Protestantism?


Traditional Anglicans do.

Anonymous Rantor November 25, 2012 9:51 PM  

WLWheeler.

Let's look at Holland, 51% Non Religious, 25% Catholic, 15% Protestant, 9% other. Sounds thoroughly Protestant to you? They are among the most post modern, post-Christian countries in Europe. Sure Protestantism spread there, but then they went all Nazi in the war and liberal thereafter (before the war it seemed they were very tolerant of Jews for quite some time, but then something snapped and they liquidated an estimated 75% of 'em). Very sad state of affairs.

And perhaps due to their harsh language they have the highest rate of throat cancer. (Useless trivia)

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 25, 2012 10:32 PM  

Yes, let's look at Holland. You are quoting modern statistics. What about Holland 200 years ago?

All Protestant. Protestantism because it has no authority, no center, dissapaites. Protestantism is a degeneration of Catholicism. Out of that it continues. Those 51% non-religious--what was their forefathers? Protestants. Just as Politics has a kyklos, religion does as well. Sooner or later Protestantism with its many contradictions and infighting, soon causes disbelief.

The damage, Rantor, has already been done. Holland was one of the centers of the "Enlightenment" the damage occured 200 years ago. Holland was the home of Spinoza, one of the major architects of the "Enlightenment". The fruitition of that damage is just being seen now. Some of the impetus of the English Civil Wars came from Jewish instigation from Holland. It was they who taught that monarchy was idolatry and so Cromwell the Protestant beheaded the English King and all future kings are beholden to the House of Commons in England. The damage has already been done. The American Revolution was a carry-over of the English Civil Wars and then the American Revolution was the paradigm for the French Revolution.

That mess in Holland is precisely the cause of the "Enlightenment" which had its home in Holland and fueled by the American and French Revolutions.

Because of the teachings of the "Enlightenment" all of Europe is dying.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 25, 2012 10:55 PM  

For the very true beginning of her is the desire of discipline; and the care of discipline is love Wisdom 6.17

How many people here have read this in Scripture? How many people have heard a sermon on this?

So I am a dumbshit am I. Well, Christ said, "If you Love me, you will obey me".

What is Love? The care of discipline. The Spartans anyone? Who had a disciplined society? The Spartans. Who had Love? The Spartans. The book of Wisdom is Greek not Jewish.

The pre-Vatican II Church was known for its discipline.

The requirement for women in the Church to veil while in Church was across the board, Coptic, Orthodox and Catholic. Only the Copts still to this day still have it church-wide.

I mentioned the veil because It is ONE example amongst many! That is NOT the only one. See, what you don't understand is that some do this, and some do that---Which one does it all? Who has read the WHOLE Bible? Like you people know that verse quoted in the beginning of this post. You don't know what is in the Bible and the Bible of the Church, of the Early Church was the SEPTUAGINT! That and that only is the Bible for the Church. No protestant has that! There is NO such thing as "deutrocanonical" or "apocrypha". The LXX is Scripture. (except 3, 4 Macc.) That was the Bible at the beginning! "The Virgin is with child" is ONLY in the Septuagint. No Septuagint---no Virgin prophecy.

What about the consistent teaching of the Church that Judaizing is anathemitized the Jews are suppressed. I am the ONLY one to adhere to the ancient and traditional teachings of the Church.

I obey ALL. I follow Tradition. I read only from the LXX. I have read the all the canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils. I have supplemented the Faith with Arete as St. Peter has said. That verse in II Peter 1.5 has never, never been carried out in the Church either Catholic or Orthodox! Once it was written---it was overlooked and not paid attention to.

Jesus Christ said, "Man does not live by bread alone, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH out of the mouth of God". Not only Scripture, Not only from the Horses mouth, but the Natural Law proceeded out of the mouth of God. How many here are even cognizant of the real, original natural law--that which came from the Mouth of God?

I am the Last Spartaite and also the Last Christian. I obey ALL things. I OBEY ALL the Words that proceedeth out of the Mouth of God.

How many here know that kneeling is proscribed on Sunday? That the proper position of Christian is to Stand throughout. What Christian stands throughout? Maybe some Ultra-Orthodox Old Calenderists of the Russian and Greek Orthodox Church but then these retards throw out Plato and spit on Aristotle. The Natural Law is nowhere on the radar of the Copts or any Orthodox!

The whole church is INCOMPETENT.

I'm a Spartaite. We do things right. We have the fear of God and we Obey---because we are trained to Obey. I'm the first and last of the Mochicans. I have the total package; that is why I can make that claim. No other Christian anywhere can make that claim. Do you have the total package?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 25, 2012 11:37 PM  

Furthermore, Christ prayed that "We all should be one". Am I the only one that practices that Christian Unity? And where does that Christian Unity exist? In the Consistent Teaching of the Church and in Obedience to all that Christ and the Holy Spirit dictate. Is that so hard?

Obviously it is.

It is just the realization I had, that I must be the only guy out there that has the total package. Does anybody out there have the total package?

Do you have the Complete Whole Truth? And then do you live it?

I live the Unity of the Church.

Anonymous Anonymous November 26, 2012 1:18 AM  

WLW

Being the only quintessential Christian, you need only agree with yourself to achieve what the Una Sancta never has - complete unity.

Might I proffer a theme hymn for your new unity?

Pax - jb

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 26, 2012 9:50 AM  

Yes, Truth is way out there for the masses. It is like I'm on the far side of the moon. That was said of Jesus, "he is of beelzebub". That was also said of the Spartans, "their peculiar culture" so very very strange.

Jesus Christ said, "My kingdom is not of this world".

Looney Tunes indeed.

Anonymous Anonymous November 26, 2012 7:00 PM  

WLW -

When the Pharisees disputed with Jesus after He called St. Matthew (Matt. 9:9-12), Jesus smoked the Pharisees!

WLW - you have the Law down to the nth degree. You just do not understand one whit of the Gospel, which is the reason why Jesus took on flesh and dwelt among us. Read Matt. 9:13 . . .

You simply cannot wrap your mind or heart around the concept.

I wish you well, and that one day, Jesus' words will dawn on you.

Pax - jb

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 26, 2012 7:29 PM  

As you know Plato defined the Law as the expression of The Good. Canon Law is only the expression of Christian Tradition.

Ohh, I understand completely the Gospel and live it but I also understand the Natural Law completely and obey it.

Anonymous Anonymous November 26, 2012 7:52 PM  

My friend . . .

You are the most thoroughly man claiming to be a Christian I have ever known.

I am not talking about Plato's definition of "the Law" - he was a pagan and had no clue as to God's meaning of the Law - you ought to know that!

Canon Law is not determined by Scripture, but by men, and not all men everywhere throughout time, so the "catholicity" of "canon law" is hardly established.

You second sentence was pure gibberish. The Gospel is a concept foreign to you, and every further word you key you prove it further.

Be that as it may, I pray that one day you understand what Jesus was really all about.

Pax - jb

Anonymous Anonymous November 26, 2012 7:56 PM  

"In the first place, therefore, it is necessary that both preachers and hearers take heed to doctrine and have clear, unmistakable evidence that what they embrace is really the true Word of God revealed from heaven; the doctrine given to the holy and primitive fathers, prophets and apostles; the doctrine Christ himself confirmed and commanded to be taught. We are not permitted to employ the teaching dictated by any man's pleasure or fancy. We may not adapt the Word to mere human knowledge and reason. We are not to trifle with the Scriptures, to juggle the Word of God, as if it would admit of being explained to suit the people; of being twisted, distended and patched to effect peace and agreement among men. Otherwise, there would be no sure, permanent foundation whereon the conscience might rely. — Blessed Dr. Martin Luther, Church Postil VII, p. 325."

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 27, 2012 8:29 AM  

"Sola Scriptura" is not the basis of the Faith. No. Martin Luther is wrong.

The Church is Spirit and is guided by the Holy Spirit. The Church was first spread by Word of Mouth--thus the Oral Tradition preceded that of the New Testament. The Faith first was ORAL. Not written! St. Pauls says, "Maintain the traditions that I have handed onto you by word of mouth or by written letter". Both.

Notice the word "primitive" in Martin Luther's speech? "Primitive" is a Kabala teaching that stated what was "primitive" is true and best. The whole Protestant movement is about this supposedly capturing the "primitive" state of Christianity.

There is NO such thing! The Natural Law is Incrementalism. God follows the Natural Law for He is that. There is NO primitivism in the Christian Church. The Church grows because it is a living thing. Just as all living things grow by incrementalism, just as the earth was formed by little steps (Incrementalism), the Church and its understanding has grown incrementally. The Church is vine, didn't you know that.

All of Protestantism was instigated by the Jews and the Church has condemned any one who is to Judaize the Faith.

Blogger Baloo November 27, 2012 11:05 AM  

This is dead on stuff. Commented on and linked here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-hijab-andor-whorehouse.html

Anonymous Anonymous November 27, 2012 3:10 PM  

In college they told us, in Weinmar Germany, before the unreal inflation hit, some prostitutes would walk the streets naked. At least during the summer. Couldn't even bother to get dressed between johns. We know what happened after that.

And keeping in mind, sometimes it's the little things that count, or littler things, I read recently, Hugh Hefner lets his dogs pee inside his mansion. And crap on the rug. That's right. His dogs pee inside, and crap on the rug. Can't even be bothered to have the dogs walked around the grounds. It.smells.like.pee.in.there. And the decor is cheap, and tasteless. Though that stuff may be due to approaching dementia, and not related to America re-electing a fascist/socialist/ communist/progressive/traitor/ for its president.

And you know why I came here? I've interrupted watching "Sid And Nancy" for the first time. I wanted to take a break from reliving my youth in a whole different light.

Blogger parabarbarian November 27, 2012 11:41 PM  

"Let's look at Holland, 51% Non Religious, 25% Catholic, 15% Protestant, 9% other"

IIRC, Holland is like Germany in that if you are a member of a religion then your dues are withheld from your paycheck. If you don't want to pay, you have to quit the church. That provides a pretty strong incentive to be non-religious.

Anonymous Anonymous November 28, 2012 8:54 PM  

WLW -

You have offered proof of nothing -save for your own, and very skewed, opinion.

Luther's use of "primitive" has nothing to do with the context in which you define it . . . your "opinion" is simply absured. If you are incapable of understanding he was referring to the Ancient Creeds, which open the Formula of Concord, then you have chosen to be willingly ignorant.

If Sola Scriptura is not the basis of what the Una Sancta teaches and from which the Church draws its tradition, then, pray thee, what is? You opinion?

Oy vey!

Trying to tie in Kabala and "Incrementalism" as you define it, is likewise absurd - you are not even dealing with theology proper now, but your own deluded opinions.

"All of Protestantism was instigated by the Jews and the Church has condemned any one who is to Judaize the Faith. "

My friend - do you even read what you write?

I think not. But, as you say . . . you are right.

I leave you to your "right-ness."

jb

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 29, 2012 2:51 AM  

Going strictly by the number of courageous souls taking on Ben Gleck's...I mean W. L. Wheeler's ravings I'd say we're looking at a huge masochism outbreak, possibly epidemic...
You cannot debate a fanatic/hypocrite, folks: They will simply out-produce everyone in the self-contradicting psychobabble market & claim victory through volume.
Kinda' like government (imagine THAT)!

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 29, 2012 3:00 AM  

Peradventure Wheeler could enlighten the doubting part of his audience - which would be all of it - with the details of Luther's/Huss's/any Reformation leader's conversion to Judaism prior to leading their pro-Bible stand against The Whore.
This fascinating (and fabricated) bit of church history is outside our scope of fact-based research, please proceed!

Anonymous Deansdale December 06, 2012 6:29 AM  

"Holland’s newly legal sex industry was quickly infiltrated by street-grooming gangs with one target: the under-age girl virgin who can be sold for sex. The men in the gangs are dubbed — incongruously — ‘lover boys’, because of their distinct modus operandi of making girls fall in love with them before forcing them into prostitution"

This sounds patently ludicrous. Any proof whatsoever? It's feminist daydreaming about some irresistably handsome evil men forcing virgins to do their bidding... Come on.
Also I very much doubt that there's a great demand in the Netherlands for the raping of unwilling underage virgins. It's standard feminist demonization of men, trying to imply that there are millions of (probably paedophile) perverts out there always on the lookout for a chance to inflict something evil upon innocent young girls.

Blogger Kristi James October 08, 2014 6:45 AM  

Very great it is very interesting post we are also working in Brothel service in sydney and welcome you to visit our nice website. Thanks for nice post.

Post a Comment

NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS. Anonymous comments will be deleted.

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts