President to leave First Lady
That's the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn from this belated announcement:
It was a long time coming: President Obama spoke out today in favor of marriage equality. “I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” he said in an interview with ABC News.Considering what an absolute vote loser this issue is, proven by the fact that 30 states have passed anti-homogamy laws and amendments now, one can only wonder exactly how personally important it is to Obama. It's rather remarkable, as Obama appears to be making a stronger effort to throw the election than John McCain did, and it's only May. At this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing, eating dogs, and openly calling for human sacrifice by September.
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Gore Vidal must be so happy in this moment. I really do wish them the best.
Minnesota's liberals are in a tizzy over the SC result - they somehow think the vote will go better in November. I doubt it.
One can hope, can't they?
As long as we are talking about the freakshow - did you see THIS ARTICLE over at kotaku championing a brave transition?
Excuse me while I go vomit and find some acid to pour into my eyes.
I don't think it's a personal issue in as much as it's a calculated political move to "energize" a very well to do leftist base. This is shaping up to be a very tight race and the Kenyan Keynesian needs every vote from 2008 to show up at the polls this fall. Whether or not coming out for Adam and Steve is smart remains to be seen but I can't see how gathering up the Zombie Coalition is going to hurt him at this point.
I'm not sure its a a vote loser. And its trending, rapidly, to be the populist position.
You really think Barry will lose one single vote over this announcement? Those who love him, support fag marriage anyway, and if they don't, they're most likely black - very unlikely to turn against him because of this. And for those who hate him, he's either given them one more reason to hate him, or they're going to keep hating him for the reasons they already hate him.
At least 61% of the people in North Carolina told the fags they will NOT be playing house in their state. Hahahaha! It flies in the face of the delusional liberals who insist their twisted views are shared by the majority.
Well, considering that those who run in DC and Bohemia Grove circles are supposedly Skull & Crossbone types, I'd figure it'd be more an S&M fetish that gets outed in most politicians, what with the paddling and all. Would lend a little more meaning to the term The Beltway.
"Hahahaha! It flies in the face of the delusional liberals who insist their twisted views are shared by the majority."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx
Hahahaha! indeed.
I thought libertarians didn't want government involved in defining marriage...
Gallup results don't enact laws. North Carolina voted to ban faggot marriage 61% to 39%. It wasn't even close. Yeah, those polls really are useful.
Yo Richard: "sampling error ±4 percentage points."
At this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing, eating dogs, and openly calling for human sacrifice by September.
He's already done two of those things.
I can't get over the fact that all of my female friends are delighted about this apparent turnaround. What is it with chicks and gay "issues"?
Richard said:
"I'm not sure its a a vote loser. And its trending, rapidly, to be the populist position."
30 states say you are wrong, including California, where a great concentration of liberal smug and genius reside, and they couldn't get it done without the courts overturning the law. Minnesota will go the same way - the Iron range may vote democrat, but they won't condone homogamy.
*yawn*
The real question is, what is this announcement supposed to distract us from? The fact that his Justice Department is anything but?
Obama's re-election chances do not look good.
West Virginia Democratic Primary Results:
Barack Obama 59%
Federal Inmate No. 11593-051 41%
Zartan - do you understand what 'trend' means? and of course sampling error means - it shifts that amount the way you want it.
Take it up with reality.
Isn't Blagojevic in prison because his secret tapes outed Obama?
"What is it with chicks and gay "issues"?
Alpha's or fags; women can't even make up their minds on that.
West Virginia Democratic Primary Results:
Barack Obama 59%
Federal Inmate No. 11593-051 41%
I'd like to see Romney's numbers against that guy. VD's proverbial one legged crack whore is looking more electable all the time.
"Maths are hard" Richard sputtered thusly:
"Take it up with reality."
Not sure why you took such umbrage at my statement, but let me do that ::checks::
Yep 30 > 0 is still a true statement. And I do understand trend, but a trend among a population != trend among an active VOTING population.
As long as we are discussing reality see also: mental health rates of homosexuals, suicide rates, addiction rates, domestic abuse rates, AIDS rate in Cuba...
Pure damage control stemming from Crazy Uncle Joe Biden's comments outing him a few days earlier. I'm sure the spokesholes wanted this like they wanted testicular cancer.
But as far as distracting from the bigger issues? You all do know that the US just cleared China to take over their first US bank today... I think that's a BIT more newsworthy, but not getting much play.
No I didn't say "maths is hard". And I clearly referenced 'trend'. Get as angry as you want, its easy to see this form of bigotry is on it's way out.
From the article, we see "Republicans and older Americans remain opposed"
What are the implications of that? Have a really hard think about what happend to older people as time passes, and report your findings.
Thanks.
"At this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing, eating dogs, and openly calling for human sacrifice by September."
The only thing missing is the traditional bone through the nose.
I figure he's betting on gaining more money and votes from urban liberals that are otherwise disenchanted with his administration (because of little things like the war and citizens being assassinated by robots), than he's going to lose from the portion of the religious black community that would have otherwise voted for him.
whtbread: "I don't think it's a personal issue in as much as it's a calculated political move to "energize" a very well to do leftist base."
Precisely. Many on the left accuse Obama of being too moderate-to-conservative (cf, "Afghanistan","Gitmo", and "drone warfare"). I, too, see this as an attempt to draw the leftiest of the left back into the fold.
I voted for the ban in NC... all my liberal FB 'friends' have gone apeshit. It's too funny. One even came out of his atheist closet and ranted against Christianity and bigotry. He was just married last year(to a woman) and he babbled on how anyone could deny the 'drunken bliss' of marriage to anyone who is in love.
Marriage is not an exclusive province of religion
Is it?
So B.O. believes in "Gay Rights" I wonder what other non existent things he believes in.
At this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing . . .
Given his Islamic sympathies, no doubt his choice of women's attire will be a burkha.
I'm finished commenting on this crap. My time is far too important to waste by discussing these fascist freaks of nature and the useful idiots who support them.
paradox May 09, 2012 8:02 PM
I voted for the ban in NC.
I raise a glass to you, good sir. Well done.
Well so much for Judge Andrew Napolitano standing up for states' rights. He's siding with 14th Amendment bullsh*t about marriage as a right that can not be denied to gays.
Think the long game Vox.
Mittens forced gay marriage in Mass. Obama has put Mitt in the posistion that he either goes against what he did then, and loose, or change, and look like a flip flopper.
I suspect that old Mittens will agree and say he will suppport gay bondaged/marriage.
Redjack: "I suspect that old Mittens will agree and say he will suppport gay bondaged/marriage."
Missed it by that much.
Think longer game. Gays should be forced to get married. They too should know the joys of arguing over who's relatives home they should spend the holidays with, money, and such. They too should know the joys of alimony, child support, countless days and piles of money wasted in divorce court. Fights over who gets the dog, the car, the house.
Maybe after a decade or so the gay/left will start to push for reform in the family courts.
There has to be more to this. Whatever he gains in the hardcore left he loses in the very religious black and Hispanic vote. They may not vote for Romney, but a percentage will stay home because of this issue.
Oh, I'm going to have fun with this one. I intend to make the silly black Churchians at work squirm like worms on a hook.
"Obama's gonna fix EVERYTHING!" - actual quote from dimwitted black woman before the idiot took office.
Gee... I wonder if SHE got her mortgage paid off by the feds yet?
God defined marriage as between a man and a women. If Adam and Steve want the state in their domestic relationship then they need to come up with a name for it. There is no such thing as gay "marriage". This like apples demanding to be called oranges because it's the apple's "right" to be an orange.
Bizarre time to make that announcement to be sure. Many who would be won over by it already consider him a lost cause.
But it likely pissed lots of poor whites off. And that's always fun.
I love when liberals say things like, "Well maybe the government shouldn't let anyone get married!"
They're always so confused when I say that's a great idea.
Totally OT: I'm finally reading Embassytown. Holy crap is that a great sci-fi novel.
He's doing it for the money, and to shore up the left. After yesterday's electoral disaster in the States, he knows he's lost the blue collars. Might as well generate some campaign cash and energize who's left.
Paradox: "I voted for the ban in NC... all my liberal FB 'friends' have gone apeshit. It's too funny."
It is uncanny how the libs dominate the convo over on FB. I know damn well most of my friends over there don't support gay marriage, but you'd never know looking at our emo newsfeeds swamped by liberal fatuousness. The whole field is surrendered to political correctness, and nothing but conflict in the bucking of it. So everybody plays nice. It's disturbing.
Homosexuals already have the right to marry. In fact, they have exactly the same rights as everyone else. The fact that they aren't satisfied with merely being treated equally with everyone else under the law (as they are now) and want the government to create special categories just for them is their problem, not society's.
Vox: It's rather remarkable, as Obama appears to be making a stronger effort to throw the election than John McCain did, and it's only May. At this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing, eating dogs, and openly calling for human sacrifice by September.
Never forget H.L. Mencken's dictum: Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. Support for sodomite marriages (which Willard Hussein Obamney endorses as well), dining upon dogmeat and cross-dressing will only increase his support among the female voters of the dumbass dystopia.
Johnycomelately: Isn't Blagojevic in prison because his secret tapes outed Obama?
Unlikely. Blago would be in the same place as Andrew Breitbart, the coroner who investigated Breitbart's demise and the witness to Breitbart's collapse if he had tapes to out D'Won.
Come to Illinois - Land of Lincoln - where governors make your license plates!
I have no problem with polygamy or politically incorrect speech. Let's try to avoid restricting the liberties of other people when they do not encroach on our own.
Please explain, to us all, the liberties lost by the ban on government sanctioned homosexual marriage.
By attacking the freedom of others, you undermine your own freedom.
You're ridiculous. This is not about freedom, this is about license. There are acceptable and not acceptable behaviors. Faggots are disgusting degenerates - always have been. That's why they've been in the closet for most of history. Filthy faggots, pedophiles, necrophiles, animal fuckers - all deviant and disgusting human behaviors - not a human right.
And you might mention this grand concept of freedom to your faggot friends when they want to sue someone for not wanting to take their wedding pictures, or the other ways they force people to accept their perversion - whether they like it not. Clearly, faggots do not believe in freedom of association.
Passinthrough - "If Adam and Steve want the state in their domestic relationship then they need to come up with a name for it. There is no such thing as gay "marriage".
I thought that's what the "civil union" was but as I also recall, the Sodomites still weren't happy even with that.
VDAt this rate, he'll be wearing women's clothing, eating dogs, and openly calling for human sacrifice by September.
I really did laugh out loud.
Maybe he'll marry a male dog. Get bitten by the dog because of his relentless advances! Scream about homophobia! Accuse the Secret Service of setting him up with a retired homophobic dog. Finally being cleared of any wrong doing by PETA after eating the dog that bit him because it was homophobic & violent. Subsequently PETA starts a national campaign to re-educate homophobic dogs raised by homophobs. Big O then goes on to be the poster child of UN approved policy of eating homophobic dogs, spider monkeys and barnyard feathered "friends". The UN policy included a very successful program of transgendered animals as neutering and spaying was found to be cruel. "Friend" the animals and eat them if they turn out to be homophobs.
Bizarre time to make that announcement to be sure. Many who would be won over by it already consider him a lost cause.
Maybe he timed it to take attention off of John Travolta ...
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Passinthrough - "If Adam and Steve want the state in their domestic relationship then they need to come up with a name for it. There is no such thing as gay "marriage".
Strange Aeons: I thought that's what the "civil union" was but as I also recall, the Sodomites still weren't happy even with that.
Hmmmm, and why would that be? There is a purpose behind the grand push to make 'gay marriage' the law of the land. This purpose has nothing whatever to do with poofters being able to poofter away with their partners or any of the other numerous stated reasons having to do the "fairness" and "equality". They are going to make every 501c(3) church in the Banksta Banana Republick perform such ceremonies. Look at what has already gone down with Obamacare and contraception coverage. As I stated on a thread long, long ago, Pastor Rick will end up performing the ceremony on the altar of Saddleback "Church", just as Cardinal Dolan will before the altar of St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. There is a purpose and a plan for the whole campaign.
Gen. Kong
Maybe I've just been blissfully unaware of when or how they came sashaying out of the closet with such a militant vengeance but sometimes it seems like we went awfully fast from this being a non-issue to where we are now, and based on various related issues that have come to light, I can't help but wonder how soon it will be before us red-pill swallowers face repercussions more serious than prog-preaching and self-righteous snark from the Left for resisting the lavender brigade rather than applauding it...
paradox May 09, 2012 8:39 PM
Well so much for Judge Andrew Napolitano standing up for states' rights. He's siding with 14th Amendment bullsh*t about marriage as a right that can not be denied to gays.
I haven't found anything in the constitution delegating the government authority in marriage one way or the other.
Must be in the commerce clause... somewhere. Oops, found it! general welfare clause which makes it a Commerce Clause issue too!
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Given that divorcee still cannot marry in catholic church, using a law on same-sex couples to impose the performance of same sex wedding in churches opposed to it seems difficult. And why would homosexuals want to be wedded by people who disapprove of their way of life?
By the way, 501c(3) should be for charities doing uncontroversial work, churches using it are exploiting an unjust tax loophole.
loveIRS "And why would homosexuals want to be wedded by people who disapprove of their way of life?"
I don't profess to know their mentality but given that they largely regard the church as the primary source of opposition to their deviancy, I'd guess that having their "marriage" performed in the sacred place where normal people take their wedding vows is the ultimate victory for them, a middle finger on a limp wrist extended towards society.
Maybe Obama is throwing the election away and maybe he is not. This from Ann Barnhart, Warrior Princess,
"Remember, to call this a "political mis-step" means that you are naively assuming that there are going to be fairly contested elections in November. People, I'm telling you, the last free elections in this country are BEHIND US. Obama is perfectly willing and happy to piss off the majority of the country because he knows that "elections" will be pure theatrical fiction, if they are held at all."
> I'm not sure its a a vote loser. And its trending, rapidly, to be the populist position.
Actually people who vote right now, vote against gay marriage. The belief based on demographics and polling is that this very short lived situation.
When polled widely, gay marriage is slightly above break even when you don't adjust for registered voters / actual voters. If Pres. Obama cna get the same level of first-time voter support he got in 2008, this may be an important factor.
Cynically though, everyone who was against gay marriage before was already going to vote for Romney.
For God's sake, even if you HATE Mittens, go and vote against that bastard Obama.
I don't want to hear any of that "lesser" stuff, either. I've said my piece.
I'm not fond of Mormans, but, I'll take it over faggotry.
"are exploiting an unjust tax loophole."
The government has no authority to impose taxation on churches at all. Classifying them as 501c(3) organizations is the governments way around it.
The other skeptic May 10, 2012 1:12 AM
Bizarre time to make that announcement to be sure. Many who would be won over by it already consider him a lost cause.
Maybe he timed it to take attention off of John Travolta ...
I don't understand the connection with Travolta. Is this a pun? Not angry, just mystified. I'm far far from a Travolta fan.
This is the best headline ever!
What is this really about?
After Biden's remark Sunday and all the hoopla on Monday leading up to the primary, alternative marriage still didn't fly.
GM didn't fly in NC either. Yet Cspan, the media, newspapers and social media keep peddling the meme of another diversionary social issue. Even today, the first topic across talk radio is gay marriage. No one supports a monumental change for the petty demands of 1 to 3 million people.
What a bunch of nearsighted idiots. The system needs a new tax base. There are no jobs, a bleak future and a non-recovering economy. This is about the churches having to sanction these new arrangements or the new areas of law for gay divorces. Once again, the nearsighted don't think about the future or the implications.
Heterosexuals and Homosexuals are no longer prosecuted for cohabiting and engaging in unapproved sexual activities.
Homosexuals have attained more freedom than Heterosexuals. They can live unchallenged with anybody they please.
Why in the world would they want to force a state to license their union? The tax benefits will be far outweighed by separation legalities. It wil make them poorer and the lawyers richer.
I thought that's what the "civil union" was but as I also recall, the Sodomites still weren't happy even with that.
Of course they were not satisfied. This issue has nothing to do with rights or even marriage. It is about obtaining the imprimatur of government approval for their deviant behavior in the hope that such official approval will: a) increase public approval/acceptance; b) allow various forms of access to the government welfare/redistribution trough; and c) give them the means to use the judicial system to force acceptance of their deviancy and for use as an alternate means of getting their hands on other people's money.
Seems to me that it's a concerted effort by the Obama camp to talk about anything but the economy and his record. Two weeks ago it was "the war on women", this week it's "same sex marriage", I think in two week's we'll have capital punishment, and in the middle of the warm part of the summer "climate change."
Anything but his record and the economy.
Upon further reflection, I can only conclude that gay is not the the black. Gay is the new Jewish.
For God's sake, even if you HATE Mittens, go and vote against that bastard Obama.
I don't want to hear any of that "lesser" stuff, either. I've said my piece.
I'm not fond of Mormans, but, I'll take it over faggotry.
How do you want your magic underoos, boxers or briefs? Seriously, though, I do not think it matters. Mittens would switch sides faster than John Travolta in a bathhouse if he saw a political advantage to it.
Regarding the trend; will men become more "conservative" or just indifferent as the system and womyn continue to f- them over in the next 30 years?
"Of course they were not satisfied. This issue has nothing to do with rights or even marriage. It is about obtaining the imprimatur of government approval for their deviant behavior in the hope that such official approval will: a) increase public approval/acceptance; b) allow various forms of access to the government welfare/redistribution trough; and c) give them the means to use the judicial system to force acceptance of their deviancy and for use as an alternate means of getting their hands on other people's money."
That all may be true enough, but the underlying motivation is that they think that enough outside voices telling them they are normal will silence the voice of conscience within that tells them they are not. Since no amount of social or government endorsement will ever do that they will always demand more, no matter what they are given.
@Strange Aeons
Some gay/lesbian celebrity might try that, but the right to marry before civil authorities, never implied the right of marrying in a specific church, so they will fail.
The mentality of most homosexual is however very different, they are shyer than average. Many are still in the closet and most are afraid of being rejected for what they are. Like most people who have been and still are persecuted, they are very careful about not giving insult. If same-sex couples want to marry in a church, it will be because they are religious, and they will do it in a church that accepts them, because they don't have a choice, a wedding is complicated enough to plan anyway. Making themselves a target for hate is not what anybody wants to do on their wedding day. The best revenge is a happy life. Most of the political fight LGBT activists engage in are to gain acceptance! Judging homosexual by their celebrities is like accepting P.Hilton or T.Woods as the prototypical heterosexuals.
To be clear, I support the right of religions to refuse any marriages according to any criterion or on a simple whim. This is one more instance were the separation between church and states protects the church as well as allows the state to not be unduly influenced.
Some gay/lesbian celebrity might try that, but the right to marry before civil authorities, never implied the right of marrying in a specific church, so they will fail.
You seem to operate under the premise that the left has some end game in mind where they say "we've gone far enough. Our work here is done, we won't push any further".
@Cherub's revenge
I agree with you that the left might not stop. But life is too short to fight them in the area where they are not clearly wrong. Even purely strategically, I think this is a lost cause in the long term. Homosexuals are inexorably gaining acceptance, there is no winning against 5% of the population who are well organised and conscious of themselves as a political group. The statistics also show that they are steadily gaining acceptance. In the US, they are gaining acceptance among liberals but not losing it among conservatives. I interpret that as the superposition of a trend toward acceptance (more visible in other countries) and a left-right polarisation.
But life is too short to fight them in the area where they are not clearly wrong. Even purely strategically...
You gotta be more subtle with your concern trolling. The "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" MO is way too obvious.
If same-sex couples want to marry in a church, it will be because they are religious,
I wasn't aware God recognized S/S marriages.
/Facepalm
@cherub's revenge
Did I at any point misrepresent myself as a religious conservative? By defending the rights of homosexuals and critiquing the tax exempt status of churches? My name could have tipped you off that I am some kind of libertarian.
If a concern troll is someone who argues a position opposite with the one of most of the people in the forum fine. Otherwise, it just doesn't apply. I often argue ad hominem, but without using ideas that I do not agree with.
This is actually great for the legal community. Given the average low future time preference of homosexuals quick marriages/divorces will be commonplace.
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I often argue ad hominem, but without using ideas that I do not agree with.
Snort!
I am some kind of libertarian
Guffaw!
If a concern troll is someone who argues a position opposite with the one of most of the people in the forum fine.
No, concern trolling is your comment on strategy. By the way a strategy, that is clearly winning against homosexual marriage. They've lost every time it's been put on the ballot.
Plus the browning of America will A) make the Whites more right-wing as the country fractures along racial lines, and B) the browns don't want anything to do with that SWPLy fag loving shit (except on the DL ya, know). So, the demographic trend is away from gay marriage, your strategy advice notwithstanding. They couldn't even win in Fagifornia on the ballot.
Like most people who have been and still are persecuted, they are very careful about not giving insult.
Now the above right here - the outright lying, that's just regular trolling. Yeah, the fruits are never out to offend, oh no. Hilarious!
Just like Blacks, who I'm sure you would classify as formerly persecuted, are "careful about not giving insult". Yeah buddy.
Directors are using more and more gay couples in choosing characters for TV. They also include racially mixed couples. I think it's being overdone as a matter of policy.
E. PERLINE May 10, 2012 3:07 PM
Directors are using more and more gay couples in choosing characters for TV. They also include racially mixed couples. I think it's being overdone as a matter of policy.
Hollywood is infested with faggots and Jews. It is being done as a matter of course.
@cherub's revenge
I do not doubt that they offend you, but are you sure that you are not judging gay people through a few celebrities and gay prides? The most offensive members of a community are often the most visible. That's media for you. Gay pride are offensive to many and are for this reason controversial inside the gay community. However, they answer a real need of showing gay teens and closeted gays that there is nothing to be ashamed of in being homosexual. The suicide rate among homosexuals is very high and gay pride as outlandish as it might seem save lives by easing the social pressure and the feeling of loneliness. I think that if you knew a few LGBT, you'd probably agree with my assessment.
Rappers (black and white) are often out to offend, but I think that they are providing wish fulfillment for their oppressed audience.
Not all demographic indicator show that America is dividing among racial lines:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/interracial-marriage-stat_n_1280511.html
Beside, your convoluted reasoning do little to contradict observed trends in the polls concerning opinions about gay marriage.
Do you disagree that having been kidnapped and enslaved qualify for being classed as having been persecuted? You do not seem to make special efforts to not be offensive to blacks and homosexuals, do you hold them to a higher standard than yourself?
Clay: For God's sake, even if you HATE Mittens, go and vote against that bastard Obama. I don't want to hear any of that "lesser" stuff, either. I've said my piece. I'm not fond of Mormans, but, I'll take it over faggotry.
Clay, Willard Hussein Obamney is in favor of advancing the sodomite agenda every bit as much as D'Won on d'downlow is. He actively worked to impose it upon those opposed to it in MA. Voting for Mittens makes no difference at all.
Gay pride are offensive to many and are for this reason controversial inside the gay community. However, they answer a real need of showing gay teens and closeted gays that there is nothing to be ashamed of in being homosexual. The suicide rate among homosexuals is very high and gay pride as outlandish as it might seem save lives by easing the social pressure and the feeling of loneliness. I think that if you knew a few LGBT, you'd probably agree with my assessment.
Ahh, the ever presumptuous liberal who thinks that others' opinions are formed from ignorance and not experience.
Nope, I'm a racist because I grew up on the East Side of Chicago as it turned into a non-White ghetto. My boat slip is at Belmont Harbor and I lived many years in Lake View and have seen enough 4 am (hell noon for that matter) fag dysfunction to last me two life times, and my anti-semitism is, well hell, why wouldn't anybody be.
However, they answer a real need of showing gay teens and closeted gays that there is nothing to be ashamed of in being homosexual.
If there was nothing to be ashamed of they wouldn't need a vast indoctrination apparatus to push it. Take that apparatus away for a day and back to square one. Same thing if they took the forced integration apparatus away. Liberalism is just a fight against the natural order.
Not all demographic indicator show that America is dividing among racial lines:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/interracial-marriage-stat_n_1280511.html
Already been discussed here and ad nauseum at Sailer's. The growth is mainly in non-Whites marrying non-Whites. 96% of White women are still marrying White men. Plus, just remember, as happened with the Jews, intermarriage spins out the least ethnocentric leaving a hardened core.
So eventually all you have left not inter-marrying are the "racists". I'm quite happy to see liberals lost to miscegenation.
Do you disagree that having been kidnapped and enslaved qualify for being classed as having been persecuted?
I don't know any present day American blacks who were enslaved. But what happened to their ancestors has been great for them. They should thank the White man every day for bringing their great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandaddies here.
You do not seem to make special efforts to not be offensive to blacks and homosexuals, do you hold them to a higher standard than yourself?
Chuckle. As if the word "gradation" didn't exist. But I'd be willing to extend just reciprocity. I have no where near reciprocated their public pathologies. When can I expect the same?
"Ahh, the ever presumptuous liberal who thinks that others' opinions are formed from ignorance and not experience."
Is it crazy to assume that you frequent people you despise less often or that they would avoid you?
"If there was nothing to be ashamed of they wouldn't need a vast indoctrination apparatus to push it. Take that apparatus away for a day and back to square one. Same thing if they took the forced integration apparatus away. Liberalism is just a fight against the natural order."
Chrisitanism is a culture, an ideology and an institution, there is nothing natural about it. (And it is as much an indoctrination as anything.) Outside of the abrahamic religions, homosexuality (or bisexuality) was most of the time accepted or even well regarded, for example among the romans, the greeks, the hindouists and ancient china. Moreover, shame is thoroughly cultural, little kids often masturbate in public, until they are told not to do so.
"96% of White women are still marrying White men."
Since 70% of the us population is white and white and black do not meet as much as people of the same colour, this means that a white woman has a fair probability for marrying the black guy they meet. Even if the proportion is presently small, the trend is clear. Agreeing with you on the hardened cores.
"I don't know any present day American blacks who were enslaved."
In complete agreement with you! We shouldn't feel ashamed any more for what happened long ago between people with unclear relations to us. "The son is not guilty of the crimes of the father." Liberals arguing against that are unjust and counter-productive. Still, as a group, in the past, the black people were treated horrendously.
"They shoud thank the white man..."
If someone beats you up, will you be grateful to him if you meet the love of your life in the hospital? Is it a joke?
"As if the word "gradation" didn't exist. But I'd be willing to extend just reciprocity."
I do not doubt you good will. But nobody weights fairly the offences against themselves versus the one they cause. "We see the straw in the eyes of others and we do not see the beam in ours."
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