Greens causing local warming
This is an application of the "think globally, act locally" directive that I'd certainly never imagined:
Satellite data over a large area in Texas, that is now covered by four of the world's largest wind farms, found that over a decade the local temperature went up by almost 1C as more turbines are built. This could have long term effects on wildlife living in the immediate areas of larger wind farms. It could also affect regional weather patterns as warmer areas affect the formation of cloud and even wind speeds.Almost 1 degree Celsius? That's more warming than we've seen in the last decade. Now, obviously there aren't enough wind farms yet to have a global impact, but if one considers how many would be required to replace conventional sources of energy, it should be obvious that this renders the Green energy program dead prior to arrival. I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.
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Ahhh. The law of unintended consequences rears its head. I'm eagerly waiting for an EF5 twister to plow through a wind farm. The irony would make me dance.
I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
> I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.
Hasn't that always actually been plan a, and the others merely covert ways to get there?
Just think that if a tornado does struck a windmill farm, the amount of energy you get in that moment will be so awesome. Your little iphone will be charged up in a microsecond. Of course you will be dead but hey, that iphone is ready to go.
To those that think humans are the problem, please off yourself first and then the rest of us can reevaluate.
So I can power and heat my home with a wind turbine. Sign me up
Actually, during high winds the turbines are designed to shut down. They have a safe operating range that is governed.
> I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.
I hope we use a democratic process to decide which populations will be reduced. Nothing could go wrong with that.
Think locally, act locally.
The default position is ALWAYS mass population reduction.
"... if this section doesn't answer your question, please skip to Section VII entitled "Mass Population Reduction."
Why can't we just get extra power from all the hot air coming from global climate change alarmists?
Those of you who noted the true goal of the 'green movement' as population reduction...it's good to see more people have opted to take the red pill and unplug from the matrix.
Although I'd be lying if I didn't confess to occasionally wishing I had just chosen the blue pill and subsequently continued living as if the world was in good hands, and squadrons of skittle-shitting Pegasii were only moments away from heading off the global economic storm that's coming.
Hope ya'll are preparing accordingly.
What have we to assure us that these temperature measurements are not just more fabrication?
Or maybe these temperature swings are normal for the area, just never recorded until the wind turbines were constructed?
Personally, I have zero confidence in these reports. I consider them to be more political than factual.
"> I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.
I hope we use a democratic process to decide which populations will be reduced. Nothing could go wrong with that."
Of course this will only work if we remove protected victim groups from the list of populations which can be reduced. They've suffered so much at the hands of evil, white, Christian males already. And we don't want to be raciss or sexiss, do we?
D.C.; the world's largest wind farm.
Wherever there is electricity you'll find that the temperatures are warmer.
Its not carbon that makes temperatures go up.
I know this is true because my laptop is Smoken hot along with everything else that is electrical.
AS far as the wind from the windmills making temps rise. That is just a bunch of BS.
Man has always used carbon but electricity usage is the real hockey stick when it come to climate change.
If you want to see the real world unplug yourself from the electrical matrix's.
Good Lord, these wind farms disrupting the natural and normal decrease in nocturnal temperatures was almost a foregone conclusion if they had considered all the factors in the first place.
Humans are exceedingly nearsighted when it comes to anticipating the full range of ramifications of their meddling. Unsurprisingly, it is often the blindest fools who push the hardest to impose their stupidity on everyone else, being so absolutely sure of the desired outcome, even to the point that disastrous results rarely dissuade or discourage them from taking further action.
> Humans are exceedingly nearsighted when it comes to anticipating the full
> range of ramifications of their meddling. Unsurprisingly, it is often the
> blindest fools who push the hardest to impose their stupidity on everyone
> else, being so absolutely sure of the desired outcome, even to the point
> that disastrous results rarely dissuade or discourage them from taking
> further action.
This is the argument for environmental "leave no trace" lifestyle, not against it. Wind power is extremely controversial to hard core environmentalists, and this (along with aesthetic, noise, and wild-life impact) is a major reason why.
"Wherever there is electricity you'll find that the temperatures are warmer. Its not carbon that makes temperatures go up."
I wonder about this too. Cities generate heat. Farmlands are hotter than forest. More people = more cities and farmland. "Global warming" is probably an artifact of more cities and farmland.
Also, there is no plan for "mass population reduction." There is only a plan for white population reduction.
I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction.-VD
Ouch!!
Actually, during high winds the turbines are designed to shut down. They have a safe operating range that is governed.-DrW
While you are correct to a degree, the speed of said turbine would only over speed on the ramp up. While on the "grid" the speed doesn't change. Where the failures could happen is:
1.) Said wind produces too much power and causes a trip, the turbine winds up to over speed. Which you cannot control the windmills power source (wind) so I assume they have a shaft break away which allows the propellers to turn freely and the generator is disconnected. I imagine if the wind got high enough this thing would tear itself up.
2.) The grid goes down causing a trip... simliar results..
3.) Breaker Gears fail and the unit stays on the grid producing more then it's capacity and burns out the generator... This would be the hollywood cool special effects with the generator sparking and perhaps exploding, along with transmission lines brunning and other tranformers going up in a really cool show of light.
4.) The control/governor brings the unit down and turns the propellers properly to not catch any wind and slows down to a very safe speed.
I could see windmills changing climates in areas in a small localized way. Where the wind used to blow through somewhere, now there are windmills in the way and creates "wakes" in the wind similiar to a wake from a boat. Causing the wind to swirl, perhaps even changing the weather near by. Mountians and big cities change the weather patterns near the land that is close to it.
Ok.. so does this mean the elite is going to bring out the knives and start slaughtering humans?
Big cities have always been warmer. Are they warmer today because of the higher use of electricity? The only way to know is measure the temps during the next big black out and compare them to the same atmospheric temps of the past.
This is the argument for environmental "leave no trace" lifestyle, not against it.
No, this would be the argument for the obliteration of human civilization based on the biased assumption that the environment cannot support human activity - as if humans are some kind of foreign invader. This is the Earth-worshiping, anti-human argument.
Wind power is extremely controversial to hard core environmentalists, and this (along with aesthetic, noise, and wild-life impact) is a major reason why.
What do these hard core environmentalists have to say about the impact of millions of third-world invaders into this country?
Does no-one (besides creationists) invoke thermodynamics anymore?
When you convert energy from one form to another, Mr. Entropy shows up.
Welcome to the heat death of the Universe. Not with a bang, but a sizzle.
Telephone, traffic light, and powerline poles are not aesthetic against the land and sky, but since they date from the time when environmentalists had no power, their ugliness is accepted.
Ranks of wind turbines are even uglier but since they fit into the program of environmentalists, their ugliness is accepted.
I have to smile when I think what the reaction is to one billboard that is out of zone. Billboards promote trade and business. That makes them environmental anathema.
Soon, the EPA and DHS will be hiring planet protection einsatzgruppen...to make us all safe?
I feel better already!!!
I hadn't been out to West Texas in years, but lately I've been out there a lot. The number of wind turbines that have been installed is shocking. They're everywhere, and the vast majority of the time, most of them are not even rotating.
I know the Ilk are aware of this, but this is just one huge scam driven by government subsidies. And when a wind turbine blade breaks, you don't want to be anywhere near it.
Glad you appreciate the story enough to post it. I thought you might like it hence why I sent to you. I had a good laugh. I wonder how the greenies will "spin" there hamsters this time. haha
"I suppose that leaves Plan B: mass population reduction."
Oh yes the true nature of the green movement. The Objective Standard has a few nice articles regarding our green friends that are worth reading.
I remember reading somewhere in Rothbard's "History of Economic Thought" that there were alarmists views in the 16th century regarding population size. It is incredible how the same old fallacious arguments repeat themselves throughout history over and over again. Oh don't worry it'll be different this time. Yeah right.
but god bless west texas, because the oil is still flowing
Windmills also required 700 pounds or rare earths per windmill, which requires extremely intensive work. China produces 95% of rare earths in the world, so how is that making us energy independent?
The Anti-Gnostic
May 03, 2012 11:07 AM
Also, there is no plan for "mass population reduction." There is only a plan for white population reduction.
Ding ding ding!!! The Anti-Gnostric hits the nail on the head. Population reduction doesn't apply to all, only to a specific group. This is something the Alex Jones Illuminati believers never recognize.
There is no grand mass conspiracy, it's simply a pile-up of multiple small groups that are influenced by the same philosophy over time. Funny enough, most of these groups are led by the Chosen People.
> What do these hard core environmentalists have to say about the impact of
> millions of third-world invaders into this country?
A good number of us would support forced sterilization of 3rd worlders. But overall, whether they destroy the US first or their host nation first is not really relevant. 50 years one way or another is not a big deal on the cosmic timescale.
> No, this would be the argument for the obliteration of human civilization
> based on the biased assumption that the environment cannot support human
> activity - as if humans are some kind of foreign invader. This is the Earth-
> worshiping, anti-human argument.
There are lots of forms of civilization which don't do permanent damage to the environment. It's not like civilization didn't come to bear before there 1.5 cars for every man woman and child. And it's not like civilization didn't exist before huge cities and ecological dead zones.
Your typical American farm town of 125 years ago did a decent job living in a way which could continue without definite end, and in a way which allowed for some reasonable protection against the vagaries of nature and humanity.
dh May 03, 2012 1:18 PM
Your typical American farm town of 125 years ago did a decent job living in a way which could continue without definite end, and in a way which allowed for some reasonable protection against the vagaries of nature and humanity.
Farming is absolutely not a "leave no trace lifestyle" as it clearly creates an impact on the environment. Forest have to be cleared for farmland. Aren't your type always wailing about losing rainforests to agriculture because of all those nasty humans?
There are lots of forms of civilization which don't do permanent damage to the environment.
It appears to me there's a distinction between "leaving no trace" and "not doing permanent damage". You either equate the two, or you've moved the goalposts. In either case, I'm not going to quibble with you over this matter.
"Big cities have always been warmer. Are they warmer today because of the higher use of electricity? The only way to know is measure the temps during the next big black out and compare them to the same atmospheric temps of the past."
Modern civilization always puts out BTU's, pretty much all year round. In the winter from heating and in the summer from cooling
Noah B. May 03, 2012 12:13 PM
I know the Ilk are aware of this, but this is just one huge scam driven by government subsidies. And when a wind turbine blade breaks, you don't want to be anywhere near it.
Wow...
dh May 03, 2012 1:13 PM
A good number of us would support forced sterilization of 3rd worlders.
Really? Must be a very quiet kind of support because I've never heard the tiniest squeak along these lines from any of you, much a less good number. Would you please provide some links to articles confirming this statement?
rycamor, I've watched this video a number of times in the past; awesome spectacle. But now months later, the comment forum has been disabled.
I would hope that its not due to pro-censorship leftist trolls polluting the forum with their typical profanity laced invectives.
Do you think following sums up the annual Bilderberger conversations?
"Alrighty then that leads us to... hmm...ah yes, Plan B: Massive Population Reduction."
It's the punch line to every conversation I bet.
I knew that AGW otr climate change was a bunch of hot air, but it seems to be literal.
I picture Gore spinning, nailed to a windmill (al, tipper's spouse, not generic organic matter). Dante wouldnhavethatbethe penalty for spin.
As pointless as they are, you have to admit this is cool. The sheer scale of the larger windmills makes the geek in me wish they really were feasible. But then the data management nerd in me starts to tabulate the costs of creating and maintaining the thing, not to mention the unintended consequences as discussed above.
Then again, *every* source of power comes with consequences, understood and unintended. Just think about fracking. I would be all for windmills in the right places if there were no government subsidies involved, so we could find out just how feasible they are.
It seems if wind farms heat things up, they may need more or them:
Cooling trends with stable ice pack
zen0 May 03, 2012 7:04 PM
It seems if wind farms heat things up, they may need more or them: Cooling trends with stable ice pack (corrected)
Winter is coming.
I am the inventor of the electric power plant of the future. It is a hybrid wind and natural gas turbine power system using static airfoils. Power Towers can demonstrate that wind power and natural gas hybrid power plant is the way forward.
I invented a machine that has an airfoil shape and produce 50 MW of power. These slender towers would be wild life friendly and will use 1/10 the land needed by the typical horizontal turbines.
I have discovered a means of producing electric power from the wind that is many times more efficient then the horizontal turbines now in use. My patented wind machine will power the 21st. Century! Imagine a 50 MW wind power plant that is operational 100% of the time. This is a true flexible technology. There will not be need to cover our precious landscape with thousands of ugly wind turbines. The technology will enable the integration of more renewable resources into the power grid.
My discovery is an innovative machine using static airfoils. Rotors produce power proportional to the diameter squared. My patented invention produces power from the wind not by increasing rotor diameter to immense sizes but by increasing the wind velocity, and since power is proportional to the cube of the velocity you immediately see the advantage.
When the wind doesn't blow the towers are stacks for a gas-turbine backup, thus providing the grid with reliable power. A Power Towers plant that varies its output depending on conditions will save approximately $2.5 million dollars per year under a typical operating profile of 4,500 hours per year. Under the same profile, the plant would have annual fuel savings of 6 million cubic meters of natural gas.
A wind tunnel test was done this past semester at University of Michigan. This test confirmed my calculations, and provided data to direct my next steps.
Copy of the patent from Google search.
Power Towers/Innovative Method of Power Extraction Using Static Airfoils
Thanks, Suomyona.
fg May 03, 2012 7:38 PM
I have discovered a means of producing electric power from the wind that is many times more efficient then the horizontal turbines now in use.
You shouldn't have any problems finding investors if this discovery is as good as you make it sound.
Like every other stupid leftist venture, once an idea is proven to be a failure they just purge it from the agenda and move on to the next dumb venture. Even their own eco-activists were denied the mike when they exposed how the ground around these windwills were littered with the broken bodies of endagered birds of prey.
All within the hive, nothing outside the hive.
fg,
That sounds amazingly cool. I have often thought that there are aspects to Bernoulli's equation that haven't been exploited enough.
The sad thing about valid new technical advances is that government involvement clouds the issue and leads to malinvestment. There are manufacturers all over the world now who have not the slightest incentive to produce more efficient wind power because they are being paid quite handsomely by our government for producing exactly what they have, with no real obligation for the bottom line.
However, in the likely event of real economic collapse, the incentives will change. I hope you get to see the reward for that.
That sounds amazingly cool. I have often thought that there are aspects to Bernoulli's equation that haven't been exploited enough..... raycamor
There is a deal to do the development needed from Fidland
Wind is Sun's heat transformed into kinetic energy through the greatest solar collector currently available, Earth's atmosphere. Wind total power is estimated between 1,700 and 3,500 TeraWatt; by comparison, the whole mankind primary energy needs are estimated at approx. 14 TW.
• Design and implementation of our wind tunnel test. We have had academic consultants from the University of Michigan and from the University of Illinois faculty review our work to date. Their conclusion is that our design is sound and based upon proven scientific concepts. Our consultants recommend design of a scale model that can be evaluated in wind tunnel to optimize efficiency of the design.
• Computation Fluid Dynamic (CFD) analysis. Taking information from the wind tunnel tests, we will create a mathematical model, using fluid dynamic principles and high speed computers to simulate the flow of the fluids and predict the efficiency of the model. By simulating different configurations, we expect to reduce our engineering cost and optimize the Power Towers’ efficiency.
• Prototype Construction. Using the results of the previous steps, we will proceed with a demonstration project that uses the principle we have outlined. This project will confirm the viability of the proposal, act as a showcase, produce useable power and create a learning platform for a scaled-up project.
"What do these hard core environmentalists have to say about the impact of millions of third-world invaders into this country?"
Here is what will happen: the Left will tiptoe away from environmental stewardship like they did from the white working class, ethnic pride, anti-war and economic populism. Because hey, all god's chillun from Africa and Mexico need somewhere to live and throw their trash.
When the bread and circuses start running out, they will strip-mine the place down to the mantle.
That is why I use scare quotes: Cultural "Marxism". It is easy to drive a wedge between "Anti"-racism and Cultural "Marxism" in general. Most rabid "Anti"-racists have cis-, hetero- and male "privilege". The Leading Light communists openly proclaim that white women and gays aren't oppressed!www.llco.org
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