The cracks widen
The French half of Merkozy is now out and the Greek technocrats get demolished:
Greek voters dealt a blow to eurozone hopes that Athens will stick to its austerity commitments as parties opposing more cuts, including neo-Nazis, won almost 60-percent support in an election Sunday. According to updated exit polls, the two main parties suffered heavy losses, with the conservative New Democracy and the left-wing Pasok getting just 32.0 to 34.5 percent between them, down from 77.4 percent at the last polls in 2009.This should end the can-kicking in Europe, but we'll see. It's pretty clear whom the global elite fears most, as the Golden Dawn did two points better than its projected 5 percent despite being falsely painted as Neo-Nazis. The charge is particularly ridiculous as Greece was occupied by the Nazis during World War II, and if anyone can be reasonably described as Neo-Nazi, it is the unelected dictators in the ruling European Commission. Things could get very interesting if the Dutch and Irish elections maintain the theme of rejecting the EU and IMF architects of the European financial system.
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According to the media, Golden Dawn are neo Nazis because their flag looks like a Swastika not some symbol from Ancient Greece.
EUR/USD took a nosedive this afternoon.
It would have been good to go short Friday afternoon before closing. It was down 125 pips and now it bounced back up a little to 100 pips in less than 2 hours. Some of that was pre-open trading though.
If you have ever been to Greece (I used to go every year when I had time for travel), that is the most common symbol in the country. It is everywhere.
Want a swastika hidden in plain site? Take a gander at the NATO symbol. The Fourth Reich, alive and well, since 1949. The Waffen-SS, Alive and Well (Never went away. Just transmogrified into "other agencies.")
11BMay 06, 2012 6:30 PM
According to the media, Golden Dawn are neo Nazis because their flag looks like a Swastika not some symbol from Ancient Greece.
Do you personally agree, 11B?
Oops
So how likely is a Blitzkrieg or a Barbarossa to be launched by an explicitly Keynesian rationale this time around, if the individual countries opt out of Eutopia.
RE: JohnS May 06, 2012 9:24 PM
Completely unintentional?
Really!
I guess so was this
Operation Paperclip anyone?
Also note, that The Pentagram (aka The Pentagon), the ground breaking was on September 11, 1941. It appears the MIC was well in progress before December 7, 1941...
That symbol is called the meander (as in meandering river). It is an ancient symbol. Alternatively it is called "the Greek key."
If Dutch and Irish voters actually do actually reject it - keeping in mind that their votes are, if anything, even more meaningless than those of the dumbass dystopians here in the Banksta Banana Republic - we'll soon discover the actual reason the US military retains bases in the EUSSR more than 2 decades after the departure of the Red Army. Banksta Banana Republic means just what it says. Predator drones will be unleashed upon "Neo-Nazis" (those who oppose endless slavery to the IMF and its owners) in short order to preserve "democracy" and "freedom".
How is the can kicking going to end? The French just elected a Socialist, the ultimate can-kicking party. If the Greeks don't like austerity, does that mean the absurd public sector payments that got them into trouble will continue?
Grinder wrote, "11BMay 06, 2012 6:30 PM
According to the media, Golden Dawn are neo Nazis because their flag looks like a swastika not some symbol from Ancient Greece.
Do you personally agree, 11B?"
No, I was being sarcastic. Earlier this week I read an AP story describing New Dawn as neo-Nazis and they wrote that the party's flag resembled a swastika. Of course 9 out of 10 people would have just stopped and concluded they were neo-Nazis. I actually looked up the flag and agree with Markku, in that the meander symbol is everywhere in Greece.
I will throw something else out there, why is it that anything labeled as Nazi or Fascist is toxic, but communist is not? The fact that a supposedly neo Nazi party made gains is bad, but the fact that the communist party made gains is not.
Of course some of us know why there is this double standard. But it does seem strange given a large number of people realize the communist body count exceeds the fascists.
I will throw something else out there, why is it that anything labeled as Nazi or Fascist is toxic, but communist is not?
Because you are not supposed to think about whether the bogey-man they are manipulating you with is, in fact, simply a case of them trying to manipulate you. MPAI. It works most of the time.
How is the can kicking going to end? The French just elected a Socialist, the ultimate can-kicking party. If the Greeks don't like austerity, does that mean the absurd public sector payments that got them into trouble will continue?
The end is the same. It seems likely that it will happen sooner now, and might get seriously out of control. Serious regime change never happens during the good times.
as the Golden Dawn did two points better than its projected 5 percent despite being falsely painted as Neo-Nazis
Vox, are you saying that most of the wiki article on the Golden Dawn is falsified? because i'm seeing a LOT of parallels with National Socialism in that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_%28Greece%29
not least of which is the paganistic / witchcraft origin of the "Golden Dawn" name ...
"Vox, are you saying that most of the wiki article on the Golden Dawn is falsified?"
Everything's being falsified right now so it's hard to tell up from down. Keep an open mind and Don't believe a word the Germans say. Of course this doesn't mean Golden Dawn is full of heroes. Corruption is a way of life in Greece and everyone wants a slice of the pie. The important thing here is that the status quo just took a big hit. If the Germans try and invalidate the results the Greeks will ignore the government. For all the 4th Reich nonsense going on the Germans don't have children and their army isn't very good. The most important thing that just happened is the rejection of the payments to EU central banks. They will not be repaid. Consider that in your investment strategy and maybe you can make out.
For all the 4th Reich nonsense going on the Germans don't have children and their army isn't very good.
I guess we can look forward to the Greeks conquering Europe then, eh? Or maybe those surrender monkeys?
Fascist =! Nazi. Golden Dawn is definitely on the extreme right.
The extremists in Greece are the center parties. GD carries weapons, but its to legitimately defend the elderly from criminal attack. Could they be worse? Quite possibly, but thus far the voters are more fed up with the Troika's tools.
If it were only for the meander symbol, I would question the description of Golden Dawn as national-socialist, too. The press, especially our German press, will label anything right-winged "Nazi". However, a black meander with a white outline on a red background? The association is way too obvious. And on their homepage they describe their ideology as "Κοινωνικός Εθνικισμός", which translates as "social nationalism". Which makes me quite uncomfortable about the fact that I agree with them on many issues.
"I guess we can look forward to the Greeks conquering Europe then, eh? Or maybe those surrender monkeys?"
Uhhhh, I can't tell whether you're making a point or not, but let's take you serious for a second and call it, "chaos". No one's going to do much of anything but return to their own concerns. Investors who foolishly believed they EU/Germany would bail them out are going to find out that the emperor is quite nekkid.
I have studied the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley extensively. Crowley's Banishing Ridual in "Magick" helped me work through a bad case of PTSD.
But you have to be very careful. There are a LOT of traps for the unwary in "Magick in Theory and Practice".
Look up: The Dawn of Magic by Louis Pauwells & Jacques Bergier 1st published in France under the title "Le Matin des Magiciens" 1960 by Editions Gallimard, Paris, translated from the French by Rollo Myers, Anthony Gibbs & Phillips. Ltd
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Better yet find a copy if you can and read the Golden Dawn section. I read it back in the 60s when it was around.
Some crazy stuff in their but I believe the GD stuff has value.
Esp. look into the Astrum Argentum (A. A.) chapter in Germany. Crowley warned them against teaching their esoteric doctrine to the Nazis. I forget where to find the letter.
BTW Crowley was a British agent in America during WW1 working against the Germans. Look it up.
In some respects the esoteric societies are fronts for intel operations. I ran into a branch of that run by a Brit expat in Chicago a long time ago.
This article is not entirely correct but it gives you enough to start your research.
http://www.foichicago.org/subpage66.html
Those folks were heavily into Crowley. Another bisexual. The leader was in fact a VERY POWERFUL Magician - wholly devoted to the dark side although his front was LIGHT. We had a very heavy spiritual battle. I got away relatively unscathed. As did the First Mate who was my girlfriend at the time.
It was interesting and a LOT of fun. But I have a strange sense of fun.
Another nice bit:
http://www.american-buddha.com/theotoandthecia.htm
Another little something to think about:
The PTSD Party
"Esp. look into the Astrum Argentum (A. A.) chapter in Germany."
On further reflection I believe it should be "the OTO chapter"
Ah. Here is the warning about Hitler:
http://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_48.html
One of the complaints I've heard from a Greek MILF I'm acquainted with is that the German "bail-out" money comes with little strings like having to buy German-built submarines.
DAS BOOT IN YO ASS!
The Dawn Of Magic
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Louis-Pauwels-Jacques-Bergier/dp/B001D69DJ4
$70 minimum.
More:
http://www.realpeacework-akademie.info/sofia/Englisch/E-betterworld/E_DiverseScriptures/Hitler&TheAgeofHorus.pdf
In English.
We really are in a battle between the Light and the Dark.
Call me Ishmael
And I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
From "Hitler and The Age of Horus" link:
The further I pursued this theme, the stronger became the belief that the twentieth century is that of the greatest crisis in human affairs for very many centuries. This is hardly a novel announcement: it has been said so often that it is virtually a platitude. My belief differs from the commonplace only in my comprehension of the nature of this crisis which, I will argue, has been both a crisis of the breakdown of a civilisation and a spiritual crisis of the most profound significance. For reasons subsequently explained, I have poetically termed this crisis the onset of the Age of Horus. I have also implicitly asserted that we shall find a real insight into this phenomenon in the work of artists, poets, writers and all who are concerned with the world of the unconscious.
TOS: "Or maybe those surrender monkeys?"
Ironic thing is, the French have most recently ready-tested nuclear arsenal in the West. Britain would gladly ditch their late-model portfolio to save money & hastle if they could do so and save face.
If demographic trends continue uninterupted, I must regretttably remark that Britain getting rid of its nukes sooner than later may be in the best interest of the remanants of the West.
M. Simon -
Give it a rest. Enough with the cut and paste.
Let me add that there are two main sects remaining of the OTO. One is obsessed with control and the other with liberty. The liberty sect had its greatest flowering in South America. I read a phamphlet from there once expounding on the joys of liberty. I'll encapsulate it in a few words.
The socialist: Every man should have enough to eat.
The libertarian: Every man should have what he WANTS to eat.
The socialist of course found it difficult to understand how that could come about.
BTW if you look into all this further you will see that it is powered by a mils form of schizophrenia. Trances. Hearing voices etc. Not unknown at all in the Bible.
Hitler's misfortune and ours was that he never recovered from the PTSD that he got from his father's beatings and WW1.
"mild form"
Simon Magus
you should probably calm down a little bit. there are explicit blog rules against post bombing. organize your thoughts and do more thorough research, THEN post. we aren't afraid of reading around these parts.
whether or no they are act against you will depend on how much you've annoyed Vox and Space Bunny.
Roundtine said:
Fascist =! Nazi.
true, in minor definitional variations. mostly, in accretions of social Darwinism by NatSoc theory to the original Fascism of Mussolini.
iow, take away the Jew hatred and you've got vanilla Fascism.
Roundtine said:
Golden Dawn is definitely on the extreme right.
*facepalm*
you know, for simplicities sake, i'll stipulate too Fascism / NatSoc / NAZI being "right wing" when speaking to 'normals' ... only because they're so ignorant they don't know any better and it would distract them too much from the point i'm actually trying to make.
but HERE?
National SOCIALISM / Fascism / NAZI are SOCIALIST ideologies and they are NOT right wing.
bob,
Thank you for the honor.
I was posting links and thoughts as I found them. I have no intention to continue unless called upon. I am suspicious of the Golden Dawn because in the last century they unleashed on us a World War. I'd like to avoid that in this century. It may not be possible given that the world as we know it can't continue. If that is the case I'd prefer that the Light prevail over the Dark. Having tried both I can say without a doubt that the Light is cleaner. But we may have to go through a period of Darkness first. Such is life.
I used to read VOX extensively when he was more prolific at WND. Before 911 Joe and I corresponded extensively. We shall see. In any case follow the links.
I got this from the Wiki on the Golden Dawn:
Golden Dawn describes itself as a "People's Nationalist Movement" and "uncompromising Nationalists."[9] Michaloliakos described Golden Dawn as opposing the "so-called Enlightenment" and the Industrial Revolution.[9][10] Religiously, they currently support the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Opposing the Enlightenment and The Industrial Revolution were both themes of the German National Socialists. Disturbing if the Wiki is correct (always in doubt).
M. Simon said:
Disturbing if the Wiki is correct (always in doubt).
the parallels go MUCH further and deeper than that.
for instance, this is referenced by Wiki as one of the origins of the Golden Dawn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxism
just as internecine conflict between Marxist ideologies ( Russian / Chinese antipathy for instance ) does NOT invalidate one or both of the parties as 'Marxist', conflict between Greek National Socialism and German National Socialism in WW2 does NOT invalidate one or both of the parties as 'National Socialist'.
IF half of what wiki asserts is accurate, Golden Dawn IS NatSoc. given that much of the fascist ideology that wiki isn't talking about really isn't commonly known among the MPAI, falsification of the articles would point to a nuanced counter-intel operation.
is M. Simon Dread's retarded cousin?
Classical liberalism ended in Europe with World War I. Europe is now national socialist. Notwithstanding the pap they fill their kids' heads full of, Europeans have a high level of ethnic consciousness. That's why millions of people living arse-to-elbow drew borders amongst themselves.
The German Reich's socialists believed that membership in good standing in the nation-state should be restricted to ethnic Germans. The modern socialists say membership in the nation-state is open to anybody who toes the party line: the Propositional Nation. A/K/A the USA.
What the ideological socialists will find out is that their polity only works (to the extent it works at all) if a homogenous, relatively high IQ people all work for the common weal. This is easier to do when everybody's distantly related. When you have different tribes, different faiths, different cultures--it's just a spoils fight. It ends in national bankruptcy and open warfare.
If Greece, France, Hungary and whoever else want to save the environment, provide a social safety net and make the trains run on time, they will find that they have a far better chance of success in a more-or-less ethnically and culturally homogenous state. The Israelis know this.
I think the trend is anti-immigrant.
I am suspicious of the Golden Dawn because in the last century they unleashed on us a World War.
Someone explain to me how Greece,of all places, could start a world war.
Now that France made the decision to emulate Obama's brand of socialism, Germany may get an influx of rich people who want to escape France. If we didn't have Obama, the U.S. might encourage rich immigration from France also.
I know a few super-rich people and have learned that while they know how to accumulate money, they have less and less patience for mundane things. For instance, they hire someone to drive their cars, and cook their food, and decorate their homes. They would just as soon hire others to run their businesses too. Import more greenbacks and less wetbacks.
go more Socialist, the
Will be awfully interesting to see how closely French and Greek voters emulate Iceland. If Greek and French citizens come out and explicitly tell EU banks to suck their own hind teats, this will require copious amounts of popcorn on my part. I can't wait to see the fireworks. Better fireworks than a slow, grey, fade into UN citizenship and IMF work cards.
What the ideological socialists will find out is that their polity only works (to the extent it works at all) if a homogenous, relatively high IQ people all work for the common weal.
What if the polity is not homogenous but each component in fact believes and accepts the proposition? Will the polity then work?
such a polity NEVER HAS worked, regardless of it's homogeneity. numerous societies have attempted this path, they ALL founder on bankruptcy and societal ennui.
civilServant:
I think bob is ultimately right, and the proposition will always be ultimately wrong. Welfare states demand militant secularism and depress birth rates, so Swedes end up importing Africans thinking they'll pay the nursing home bills for all the stupid old white people. Boy are they in for a surprise.
Blood is thicker than water. The advantages to enlisting the secular State on your side in the racial spoils fight won't be resisted.
bob k. mando May 07, 2012 8:50 AM,
Thanks for the link.
The dividing line for me once I figured it out is the Power and Control faction vs the Liberty faction.
Lord of Light by Zelazny is good science fiction on the subject as is Burroughs "Naked Lunch" - I'll look up the Parties of Interzone and see if I can find a relevant link. The Control parties are always at war with each other vying for who will be the ultimate controller. The Liquifactionists come to mind.
I couldn't find a good link so you will have to read the book. "Islam Inc" is on the net somewhere so that is a good place to start. Nothing has changed.
Here is a good bit I finally found:
Liquefactionist
The Liquefactionists are a party who base themselves on consuming (liquidating) one another, until everyone is liquidated into one person. As Burroughs says, the party will turn in on themselves, eventually, only one man will be left. This parodies racism and totalitarianism, with man's hatred of one another ultimately leading to the destruction of everybody else.
Divisionists
The Divisionists create clones of themselves to take control of Interzone. Each man tries to create as many clones as possible without being noticed; he disguises his clones through cosmetic surgery. As people discover the clones they are mobbed and destroyed. Again, the idea of this party is that one man will take over the world. One clone of one sex of one race will ultimately prevail - a parody of racism and sexism.
Senders
The senders are the ultimate evil. They want to control the world through telepathic mind control. This party will take over when one man controls the thoughts of every other man. This is the most extreme form of totalitarianism shown in the book. Hassan is suggested to be a sender, and is the ultimate villain in the novel.
Factualists
The factualists are the only party with good intentions. They combat the evil of the other three parties by exposing it; this is enough to destroy an evil. They live for truth and freedom. AJ - who exposes Hassan - and Bill Lee - who writes naked lunch to expose evil - are the two main Factualists in the novel. The downfall of the factualists are that they are human, and subject to greed, making them liable to sell out
Naked Lunch
Simon Magus said:
The dividing line for me once I figured it out is the Power and Control faction vs the Liberty faction.
that may be a useful metric, but the proper understanding is that ideologies / philosophies exist along MORE THAN ONE axis. Pournelle ( that is, Jerry, of sci-fi authorship fame ) visited this subject in 1963:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
your proposed axis is analogous to Pournelle's "Statism" dimension.
i provide the Pournelle Axes, not as a definitive and ultimate answer but to encourage you to think about human behavior along a variety of different possible axes as well as in multiplex dimensions simultaneously.
Pournelle's article from Imperial Stars ...
http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm
the 'official' ( joke ) theme music for the party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEnBs_hdK_c
some of the audio samples are Aleister Crowley ...
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